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You're a FOOL if you vote away an A plan instead of voting to improve it.

Guess you never met an Eastern pilot. Or Pan Am. Or United.....

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Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3251650)

You're a FOOL if you vote away an A plan instead of voting to improve it.

Please educate me. Since when was it ever proposed to "vote away" our A plan? I must have missed that email or communication from the union. What I have seen discussed is different A plan formulas, but it is still an A plan (pension).

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Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3251650)

You're a FOOL if you vote away an A plan instead of voting to improve it.

From the Opener: "Increase total Defined Benefit value for all pilots"

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Originally Posted by BrianH (Post 3251593)

First off, I was glad to see the membership participation, listening in to the officers. After they turned on the participant list I could see just over 100 pilots on the first call, I saw a high of 87 on the second call.

It was interesting to hear the NC chairman walk back his earlier comments about who decides the negotiating goals, the path to those goals, and when the MEC would know what the NC was going to bargain.

Sadly, it is very hard to watch our union officers in transmit only mode by not allowing us to ask our questions directly, allowing for no follow up, and turning off comments. The last time that happened, we got contract '15, and a lot of our dues were spent.

I hope it is not "here we go again". But without the membership involvement, do they have any boundaries?

Final thought, I am tired of hearing about the wonderful surveys and how they are following the results. But ask yourself, did they ever ask us HOW WE would like retirement improved? NOPE. They do not want that question answered or they would not be able to go after PSPP.

Ok, and when is the new secondary line generator coming? You know the one from contract '15. Union leadership seems to have forgotten that as well, but then again, how many of them use the secondary system anyway?

Its time to decide, do you want to be a crewbus commando, or do you want to ensure favorable results by giving 1% of your time to your contract?

What did you accomplish during your time as a rep?

Is this sour grapes because the MEC clearly didn't want you (twice) for MEC Chairman?

How do you preach unity, when all of your efforts are slinging mud at a body that appears to be functioning fairly well? You reference Crewbus commando....aren't you an APC commando?

It's getting old. You are management's wet dream.

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Originally Posted by HelpABrotherOut (Post 3252080)

From the Opener: "Increase total Defined Benefit value for all pilots"

looks like I now need to block nowork’s new account

How do they notify us of crew calls? This is the first that I've heard of one and would've liked to have listened in....

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Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3251650)

You're a FOOL if you vote away an A plan instead of voting to improve it.

Another Union in negotiations recently had a meeting with an Actuary whose job was to determine what our total retirement was worth as part of a comparison for an arbitrator. The number that they came up with was 41% of our total income is retirement. UPS is 44%. Currently. So I'm not sure what it'd take to vote away an A plan but even something like 30% cash over cap would not be in the ball park.

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 3252189)

How do they notify us of crew calls? This is the first that I've heard of one and would've liked to have listened in....

Go to ALPA website, sign up for email notification, specifically MEC updates & Positive Rate emails.

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 3252189)

How do they notify us of crew calls? This is the first that I've heard of one and would've liked to have listened in....

There’s this thing called email. ;) But ALPA would need to know yours for it to work.