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Old 12-13-2021 | 11:14 AM
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We need to be talking about leadership, not who is doing what, or which group is being selfish.

Contract '15 brought a lot of mistrust to Kirby. The MEC failed us on so many levels back then.

But like then, we now have taken our eyes off the prize. Our NC chair talked fondly over the weekend about his big win in section 5. He glows about being able to sell back even more vacation in section 7. Can someone please explain what I am missing? How is that leadership. How is it he can talk about those wins, but anything to do with retirement is Strictly Executive Session, unless you are part of the in crowd (see the list of attendees on each of the meetings).

"Our unity will be essential...". Really, when does that start?

Our union is leading in executive session.

Our elected leaders are letting the SMEs do more than inform, they are letting the SMEs make policy. DOL rules, the ALPA C&B, the Admin manual, and the MEC policy manual are all clear on where the responsibility resides. The elected reps. They must lead.

Doing the right thing and wanting to do the right thing are two different things. Leadership and buy-in are the difference.

All of us are or have been captains, that means we are all leaders. It is time for us to lead and have the adult conversations which will ensure we get the contract we deserve.

Clearly I and others have failed to be persuasive enough, so here we are. It's time.

Lead, follow or get out of the way. The contract we deserve depends on it.

In the end, I won't make any difference. But together we can, or we can just sit back and let it happen to us again. The choice is yours.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 01:57 PM
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Dear BrianH.

You were a disaster on the MEC, you were fired from your Alpa National job( MEC lost confidence in you), you weren’t allowed to fly in the Guard during your last year due to conflict and you attempt to marginalize everyone around you. You dragged your poor wife to the amendable date rally and created more weird and uncomfortable situations than a clown at a funeral.

Go get a hobby!
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Old 12-13-2021 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
We need to be talking about leadership, not who is doing what, or which group is being selfish.

Contract '15 brought a lot of mistrust to Kirby. The MEC failed us on so many levels back then.

But like then, we now have taken our eyes off the prize. Our NC chair talked fondly over the weekend about his big win in section 5. He glows about being able to sell back even more vacation in section 7. Can someone please explain what I am missing? How is that leadership. How is it he can talk about those wins, but anything to do with retirement is Strictly Executive Session, unless you are part of the in crowd (see the list of attendees on each of the meetings).

"Our unity will be essential...". Really, when does that start?

Our union is leading in executive session.

Our elected leaders are letting the SMEs do more than inform, they are letting the SMEs make policy. DOL rules, the ALPA C&B, the Admin manual, and the MEC policy manual are all clear on where the responsibility resides. The elected reps. They must lead.

Doing the right thing and wanting to do the right thing are two different things. Leadership and buy-in are the difference.

All of us are or have been captains, that means we are all leaders. It is time for us to lead and have the adult conversations which will ensure we get the contract we deserve.

Clearly I and others have failed to be persuasive enough, so here we are. It's time.

Lead, follow or get out of the way. The contract we deserve depends on it.

In the end, I won't make any difference. But together we can, or we can just sit back and let it happen to us again. The choice is yours.
Well said Sir, I wish you and Tony were part of our current leadership.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 04:53 PM
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FDX1 , Today 04:57 PM
Give it a break
Dear BrianH.

You were a disaster on the MEC, you were fired from your Alpa National job( MEC lost confidence in you), you weren’t allowed to fly in the Guard during your last year due to conflict and you attempt to marginalize everyone around you. You dragged your poor wife to the amendable date rally and created more weird and uncomfortable situations than a clown at a funeral.

Go get a hobby!

Dude, you are so far off base it’s almost criminal. Brian has worked his tail off on our behalf. With anonymous tools throwing crap, it’s a miracle we have anyone volunteering for union work. Why don’t you volunteer and put yourself out for public criticism?
It’s fine to disagree without personal attacks.
Volunteer!
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Old 12-13-2021 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FDX1

... clown at a funeral.
I'll gladly dress up as one for yours.


Now please let's get back to having the right conversation. Our contract is on the line and so is our unity.
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Old 12-13-2021 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
I'll gladly dress up as one for yours.


Now please let's get back to having the right conversation. Our contract is on the line and so is our unity.
just seems like your posts are getting a little unhinged. Not saying you don’t have good intentions. You just seem to go a little further out on the plank than most.

BTW… that was funny!! 😂🤣
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Old 12-13-2021 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JunkyardDog
FDX1 , Today 04:57 PM
Give it a break
Dear BrianH.

You were a disaster on the MEC, you were fired from your Alpa National job( MEC lost confidence in you), you weren’t allowed to fly in the Guard during your last year due to conflict and you attempt to marginalize everyone around you. You dragged your poor wife to the amendable date rally and created more weird and uncomfortable situations than a clown at a funeral.

Go get a hobby!

Dude, you are so far off base it’s almost criminal. Brian has worked his tail off on our behalf. With anonymous tools throwing crap, it’s a miracle we have anyone volunteering for union work. Why don’t you volunteer and put yourself out for public criticism?
It’s fine to disagree without personal attacks.
Volunteer!
criminal- really ?? PleAse
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Old 12-14-2021 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FDX1

Dear BrianH.

... you were fired from your Alpa National job( MEC lost confidence in you) ...

I was on the MEC at that time.

The MEC was not even informed, much less asked, and no reason was given by the MEC Chair, who took the action unilaterally.

So, are you saying that the MEC Chair "lost confidence" in his ability to perform his highly specialized technical job for ALPA National? Those positions should be apolitical, not subject to petty personal acts of retribution.


Oh, I almost forgot to ask. Do you have anything to contribute to this conversation other than ad hominem attacks?






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Old 12-14-2021 | 05:54 AM
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It does seem eerily quiet. I haven't heard anything meaningful from my council. I wonder if they're too busy picking up AVA and draft.
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Old 12-14-2021 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Merica
It does seem eerily quiet. I haven't heard anything meaningful from my council. I wonder if they're too busy picking up AVA and draft.
who would that be? Why would you insinuate that?
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