Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
(Post 3477082)
Anyone have details of UPS extension? It appears it extends them through 2025?
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
(Post 3477082)
Anyone have details of UPS extension? It appears it extends them through 2025?
3.25 percent 2024 3.25 2025 $4525 captain flat dollar 2024 $4650 flat dollar for 2025 Vebra increase from $1 to $2 per credit hr.
Originally Posted by opt0712
(Post 3477097)
Doesn't even keep up with inflation.
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TA???? Rumors???
Formal negotiations begin 1Sept24, amendable date 1Sept25, joint petition for mediation if no agreement by 11Sept25.
Don't be surprised if IPA pilots are honoring a UPS Teamsters strike next August. |
Originally Posted by Riverside
(Post 3477113)
4 percent 2023
3.25 percent 2024 3.25 2025 $4525 captain flat dollar 2024 $4650 flat dollar for 2025 Vebra increase from $1 to $2 per credit hr. good luck getting that. |
Originally Posted by opt0712
(Post 3477233)
Thank you for setting the low bar to build from.
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Originally Posted by Riverside
(Post 3477237)
Well, considering it is an extension. I'll leave it to ALPA to set the bar high.
An extension sets the bar lower just by being an extension? The first extension doesn’t take affect until this September correct? The second extension just voted on would layer on top and take affect 2024/2025? I think saying it’s an extension so we should expect less is a path towards nowhere. Probably a bad narrative? This isn’t throwing stones just saying don’t expect less just because “it’s an extension”. Especially in this environment. |
Originally Posted by opt0712
(Post 3477233)
Thank you for setting the low bar to build from.
seems like management has floated a lot of rumors about an impending deal but talk to your reps to see what they’ve heard….zero. It’ll be a miracle if we get something passable on next 6 weeks. |
Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
(Post 3477291)
An extension sets the bar lower just by being an extension? The first extension doesn’t take affect until this September correct? The second extension just voted on would layer on top and take affect 2024/2025?
I think saying it’s an extension so we should expect less is a path towards nowhere. Probably a bad narrative? This isn’t throwing stones just saying don’t expect less just because “it’s an extension”. Especially in this environment. |
FDX folks should understand the dynamic behind IPA Extension 2 that they don't face: a potential (I'd argue likely) UPS Teamsters strike on 1Aug23. Because of the very high possibility of that occuring for the first time since 1997, our CEO ordered all corporatewide resources with the authority to negotiate/agree to substantive items with IPA to Teamsters until their National Master and local Supplemental Agreements were completed. There are 350k Teamsters who can strike when their contract expires vs. 3400 pilots who can't strike until 30 days after NMB release, meaning we'd likely have 12-18 months of practically nothing being done in negotiations.
While not perfect, our extension continues annual raises to rates that will lead the industry as of 1Sept22, and increases/extends the Flat Dollar benefit for two more years, capturing hundreds more pilots, while we wait for the Teamsters issue to be resolved. When formal negotiations do begin in two years, hopefully other pilot groups (such as FDX) will have ratified agreements that exceed us to provide a pattern bargaining target. |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 3477141)
Formal negotiations begin 1Sept24, amendable date 1Sept25, joint petition for mediation if no agreement by 11Sept25.
Don't be surprised if IPA pilots are honoring a UPS Teamsters strike next August. |
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