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schloppy1 03-02-2023 09:44 AM

Delta’s New Pay Scale
 
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I’m posting Delta’s new pay scale for reference. I think it’s important for all of our pilots to easily see how stark the difference is. $417.54 for a top of scale 777 captain. Top scale 757 captain makes $15 more than our current top scale wide body captain. Second year wide body FO is at 206.65. DOS+3 wide body captain is, $474.20. When we get there, United will likely have even higher rates. These numbers come from the negotiators notepad. Congrats to Delta. You all raised the bar higher than I could have imagined.

schloppy1 03-02-2023 09:48 AM

Well that picture didn’t turn out very well at all. Here’s a link
https://d2r1lrrqctgamh.cloudfront.ne...ce%20Guide.pdf

Greenhorn 03-02-2023 10:17 AM

I agree a lot of our guys need to see how incredibly far behind we are about to end up. My quick math suggests we need a 24% DOS increase just to match where they are at this point. Admittedly that’s a large number but this is also the second contract delta has signed since our 2015 agreement. FedEx has delayed negotiations and wants to play the long game with contract duration , well now it’s time to pay the piper.

schloppy1 03-02-2023 10:36 AM

We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.

FXLAX 03-02-2023 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by schloppy1 (Post 3600849)
We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.

This is a good point. Their top rate should be compared to our 12 year rate. If our top rate equals others’ top rate that’s a three year concession on pay tables.

threeighteen 03-03-2023 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by schloppy1 (Post 3600849)
We also have to remember that we’re on a 15 year scale to Delta’s 12 year scale. My seat and seniority at Delta will pay $270. We can’t accept less pay for our longevity because our pay scale drags out for three years longer.

This. 12 year rates need to be compared to 12 year rates.

Greenhorn 03-03-2023 02:09 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3601224)
This. 12 year rates need to be compared to 12 year rates.

that pushes us to a 28% increase DOS. I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.

LuckyvsGood 03-03-2023 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3600876)
This is a good point. Their top rate should be compared to our 12 year rate. If our top rate equals others’ top rate that’s a three year concession on pay tables.


can somebody tell me what the rate is for an 8 year?

NotMrNiceGuy 03-03-2023 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by Greenhorn (Post 3601235)
I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.

I suspect the surveys must indicate that the group supporting those mediocre increases is too small for overall membership ratification. The UPS extension is currently a 12% increase from present book and obviously the MEC is not even considering it.

Linepilot63 03-03-2023 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Greenhorn (Post 3601235)
that pushes us to a 28% increase DOS. I fly with plenty of senior folks who still think 12-16% is acceptable “as long as retirement is fixed” whatever that means.

They’ve just gotta make sure they can rip the A plan parachute and grab there bag of bonus money on the way out the door when the rest of the new book is full of concessions and a lack luster rates. So frustrating. I’m getting so tired of hearing about fixing the pension they elected to not address during multiple bargaining cycles over the past 20+ years.


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