the general public doesn’t know a thing about the RLA.

Evidently, neither does the poster you quoted.

You are giving the pilot group way too much credit. Company will find a way to elicit a 50 + 1 vote again.

Are we talking about the same company that can’t manage to run a system bid? That’s mismanaged capacity and demand so much that they’re still paying for Atlas 747s to fly fly freight in a downturn? I’m not convinced they’re that savvy.

I get that you’re trolling and trying to turn a rivalry among companies into a rivalry among pilot groups a thing. I guess I’ll satiate you to a degree.

I believe we have entered a new era. In this new era, the pilots at FedEx will entertain nothing less than industry leading and we will recognize the current market for what it is. I don’t know what happened with the extension at Brown. I’m hoping it was just an aberration, but it did the industry no favors and was a swing and a miss by what appears to be a 10% margin. Unacceptable for them and unacceptable for their peers. Disappointing more than anything. FedEx pilots will raise the bar.

And I have nothing but love for Brown. That was my number 1, but FedEx called first. Louisville used to be home and hope for the best for you guys/gals going forward.

You mean the UPS pilots who negotiated higher pay rates than FedEx pilots pre-COVID. And during COVID when passenger pilots were furloughing they negotiated further increases in pay/retirement while FedEx pilots wasted the best time ever to leverage for an industry leading contract???

Wow. That’s some serious dislike towards the good pilots at UPS.

Why are you trolling? I come from a UPS family and my PE is now at Brown.

Second, no major passenger airlines furloughed during COVID. And they definitely didn’t furlough in June 2022. That’s not even a year ago.

But regarding your argument… FedEx in your words was negotiating during the “best time ever to leverage for an industry leading contract”. UPS was performing even better and achieved pay rates only marginally above a dismally performing passenger group contracts that were completed 6 years prior. It’s incongruent that you think we had a great environment and they only come out with marginal gains. Which is it? If it was indeed great, then they should have something to show for it? Are you happy with a top rate of $401 in 2025? I’m pretty sure I know the answer.

Mind you, this was during a highly inflationary environment with record profits and white-hot pilot market. They even had the leverage of the Teamsters strike looming some 12 months away. UPS pilots need to do what’s best for them But they were the only group satisfied with a 6.8% pay increase in that time period. It was lacking then, and it’s lacking now. It’s not directed as spiteful towards anyone; it’s just my opinion. Just because I think the lie-flat seat agreement in the last CBA was a mistake doesn’t mean we are a poor pilot group for letting it pass. It was just that…a mistake. And I thought that UPS could’ve done better. It’s not personal. Just business.

He doesn't seem to understand that there were two separate extensions. First one, sure, yeah no brainer. That vote was happening right around March/April 2020 if I recall. United secured 4a2b type language, delta let junior guys go NOQ with pay that covered benefits and then some, but it's easier to keep that head buried in the sand and stick to the "BuT yOu'Ll GeT fUrLoUgHeD," slogan around here.

No one else took your post as anything other than constructive criticism for the UPS group. It is possible to think highly of something, want it/them to succeed, and still be critical of it. Seems like a foreign/potentially new concept around here though given how offended some of our guys get if/when you bring up anywhere having something potentially better than what we have though.

Man, you sound exactly like Karine Jean-Pierre, blatantly lying with a straight face. Tell the 1,000+ AA pilots who were furloughed that there were no furloughs 🙄. And the only reason the others did not was purely due to the government handout the airlines received. It was most definitely not out of the goodness of their hearts.

No real need to relitigate two UPS/IPA TA extensions that each passed with over 90% on a FDX thread, but:

The 2020 extension was for two years and contained raises of 4% (2021) and 3% (2022). The 2022 extension was for two years and contained raises of 4% (2023), 3.25% (2024) and 3.25% amendable date raise (2025).

Both extensions increased the Flat Dollar Amount defined benefit and extended the FDA eligibility window. Upon ratification in August 2022, the 2022 extension contained industry-leading payrates, which pretty much everybody knew were going to be exceeded by other airlines' new full-term contracts due to pattern bargaining.

This brown polyester wearer hopes y'all get what you've earned and then some.

What makes you think they want a ratified deal? They may prefer 49% and walk to the bank for the next few years with our pay raise in their pocket. It would make it far easier to make all their cost savings with a substantial delay in our deal.

not a FedEx pilot, just stating facts

So you need a hobby…

Since the biggest single voting block is the 7-years-or-less-on-property seniority folks, that strategy is going to yield substantially different carrots and sticks than in previous negotiations.

Not necessarily; If we get the early retirement plan I'm hearing about and it takes 700-1000 of the old guys off the top it's a win-win. Of course they will have to cancel 23-01 which I think will happen anyhow, which is also a win for everyone.

I am glad the UPSers were able to get two extensions. I can’t believe the argument is “they didn’t set the bar high enough” … especially from any FedEx pilot who has been living with the lowest pay rates since Contract 2015 was signed.

After the Teamsters are taken care of, I have no doubt that UPS pilots will once again set the bar.

I highly doubt that many people will early retire. I’d expect something less than half that.

The NC supposedly proposed a retirement incentive in response to the displacement bid. If one could be paid a good percentage of the money without working - why not?

Let's skip all the posts about ex-wives, boats, second family, no life, blah, blah, blah. It would make for a very unoriginal response.

But I enjoy those posts very much.

I'm told so far 60 1 year advanced notice guys have pulled their letters. If we get the early out plan I've heard about I can at least guarantee 1 taker.

Because pilots are cheap. If the pay rates are solid, I could totally see guys choosing to hang on a few extra years, particularly the ones with all the issues you listed above. An exodus may occur, but a mass exodus seems unlikely unless the retirement incentive is significant.

The first post of that ilk was 32 minutes and 16 seconds after Al Gore launched the internet.