I’m confused….
06-13-2023 | 05:38 AM
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I’m confused….
We held a strike vote because the company wouldn’t even match UPS rates despite the long list of concessions we gave them early on in the negotiating process….
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
06-13-2023 | 05:55 AM
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We held a strike vote because the company wouldn’t even match UPS rates despite the long list of concessions we gave them early on in the negotiating process….
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
UPS WB pay rate in September 2023 goes up to $276/hr and our NB rate never gets higher than UPS, so I don't really follow what you are saying.
That being said, a less than inflation pay rate and insulting retirement is a BIG NO for me.
06-13-2023 | 05:59 AM
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We held a strike vote because the company wouldn’t even match UPS rates despite the long list of concessions we gave them early on in the negotiating process….
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
then two weeks later we get a TA that doesn’t even match UPS rates until what, 2025?
Why did the NC pivot/throw in the towel?
I want to find a good reason to vote yes just to understand the NC’s position on this but there’s literally none unless you’re retiring this year.
06-13-2023 | 07:48 AM
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I was around in 2015. I saw grown men basically weeping because we hadn't "fixed" retirement.
Well, it's fixed now. That's what we wanted, I guess.
(Search my name on this forum....I've been advocating freezing the A fund since 2005 or so.....For just the reasons people are so mad about. I need money now, not when I'm 65.)
Well, it's fixed now. That's what we wanted, I guess.
(Search my name on this forum....I've been advocating freezing the A fund since 2005 or so.....For just the reasons people are so mad about. I need money now, not when I'm 65.)
06-13-2023 | 08:30 AM
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I was around in 2015. I saw grown men basically weeping because we hadn't "fixed" retirement.
Well, it's fixed now. That's what we wanted, I guess.
(Search my name on this forum....I've been advocating freezing the A fund since 2005 or so.....For just the reasons people are so mad about. I need money now, not when I'm 65.)
Well, it's fixed now. That's what we wanted, I guess.
(Search my name on this forum....I've been advocating freezing the A fund since 2005 or so.....For just the reasons people are so mad about. I need money now, not when I'm 65.)
06-13-2023 | 09:05 AM
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For reference:
http://www3.alpa.org/publications/Fl...Chapter16.html
06-13-2023 | 09:10 AM
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It's not that simple. ERISA law prevents reducing a benefit under a pension plan that already has been earned. A vote could certainly be taken to freeze the DB, but people would keep what they've already earned. Outside distress termination, you don't just get to vote someone's pension away.
06-13-2023 | 09:17 AM
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It's not that simple. ERISA law prevents reducing a benefit under a pension plan that already has been earned. A vote could certainly be taken to freeze the DB, but people would keep what they've already earned. Outside distress termination, you don't just get to vote someone's pension away.
06-13-2023 | 10:03 AM
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not sure what you are quoting but ups pay in September goes up to 376
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