TA Failure
07-05-2023 | 06:45 AM
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TA Failure
Whether this passes or fails, this TA is a total failure. I feel like a fool for believing the NC during negotiations that we were going to fight for a great contract. Greatness is obviousness. It doesn’t need to be sold.
There’s never been a better time to be a pilot, and this TA does not represent our market value. It places way too much emphasis on deferred compensation far into the future. Zero actual QOL improvements, only concessions that will require pilots to work more. I won’t even mention scope. Retirement, which we sold out for, isn’t even great. The MBCBP option has a lot of unanswered questions, a low target rate, and no cash over cap. It’s also only a DB plan by name, as only contributions are guaranteed. Might as well be a savings account if that’s the case. And new hires won’t have the option for a true pension. And lastly, pay rates are embarrassing. We will be outclassed by the majors who have profit sharing in addition to higher pay rates.
Please don’t vote out of fear. The company is returning $3.3 billion to shareholders this year alone. They have the money. And if they were expecting a terrible recession they wouldn’t declare that much to shareholders.
Know your worth. If you’re not retiring in the next couple years, this TA should be an obvious no.
There’s never been a better time to be a pilot, and this TA does not represent our market value. It places way too much emphasis on deferred compensation far into the future. Zero actual QOL improvements, only concessions that will require pilots to work more. I won’t even mention scope. Retirement, which we sold out for, isn’t even great. The MBCBP option has a lot of unanswered questions, a low target rate, and no cash over cap. It’s also only a DB plan by name, as only contributions are guaranteed. Might as well be a savings account if that’s the case. And new hires won’t have the option for a true pension. And lastly, pay rates are embarrassing. We will be outclassed by the majors who have profit sharing in addition to higher pay rates.
Please don’t vote out of fear. The company is returning $3.3 billion to shareholders this year alone. They have the money. And if they were expecting a terrible recession they wouldn’t declare that much to shareholders.
Know your worth. If you’re not retiring in the next couple years, this TA should be an obvious no.
07-05-2023 | 06:58 AM
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[QUOTE=TomAce;3660794]I feel like a fool for believing the NC during negotiations that we were going to fight for a great contract.
There is a statement out there about those who seek power are not ready and will not give it up so easily.
Once this TrAsh fails, those who step up to un**** this and when the new TA2 passes they step down. Because power will corrupt them in the long run.
There is a statement out there about those who seek power are not ready and will not give it up so easily.
Once this TrAsh fails, those who step up to un**** this and when the new TA2 passes they step down. Because power will corrupt them in the long run.
07-05-2023 | 07:10 AM
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Whether this passes or fails, this TA is a total failure. I feel like a fool for believing the NC during negotiations that we were going to fight for a great contract. Greatness is obviousness. It doesn’t need to be sold.
There’s never been a better time to be a pilot, and this TA does not represent our market value. It places way too much emphasis on deferred compensation far into the future. Zero actual QOL improvements, only concessions that will require pilots to work more. I won’t even mention scope. Retirement, which we sold out for, isn’t even great. The MBCBP option has a lot of unanswered questions, a low target rate, and no cash over cap. It’s also only a DB plan by name, as only contributions are guaranteed. Might as well be a savings account if that’s the case. And new hires won’t have the option for a true pension. And lastly, pay rates are embarrassing. We will be outclassed by the majors who have profit sharing in addition to higher pay rates.
Please don’t vote out of fear. The company is returning $3.3 billion to shareholders this year alone. They have the money. And if they were expecting a terrible recession they wouldn’t declare that much to shareholders.
Know your worth. If you’re not retiring in the next couple years, this TA should be an obvious no.
There’s never been a better time to be a pilot, and this TA does not represent our market value. It places way too much emphasis on deferred compensation far into the future. Zero actual QOL improvements, only concessions that will require pilots to work more. I won’t even mention scope. Retirement, which we sold out for, isn’t even great. The MBCBP option has a lot of unanswered questions, a low target rate, and no cash over cap. It’s also only a DB plan by name, as only contributions are guaranteed. Might as well be a savings account if that’s the case. And new hires won’t have the option for a true pension. And lastly, pay rates are embarrassing. We will be outclassed by the majors who have profit sharing in addition to higher pay rates.
Please don’t vote out of fear. The company is returning $3.3 billion to shareholders this year alone. They have the money. And if they were expecting a terrible recession they wouldn’t declare that much to shareholders.
Know your worth. If you’re not retiring in the next couple years, this TA should be an obvious no.
07-05-2023 | 07:18 AM
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From: Scarebus Captain
[QUOTE=Spot13;3660802]
Hopefully some actual line pilots and maybe it would be nice if the most junior guy on the NC had less than 21 years…. Maybe even an FO.. You know maybe somebody in the demographic not being sold out in this TA
I feel like a fool for believing the NC during negotiations that we were going to fight for a great contract.
There is a statement out there about those who seek power are not ready and will not give it up so easily.
Once this TrAsh fails, those who step up to un**** this and when the new TA2 passes they step down. Because power will corrupt them in the long run.
There is a statement out there about those who seek power are not ready and will not give it up so easily.
Once this TrAsh fails, those who step up to un**** this and when the new TA2 passes they step down. Because power will corrupt them in the long run.
07-05-2023 | 07:25 AM
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From: Stuck in Purple Limbo
[QUOTE=FrankTheTank;3660821]Agreed but unbelievably at least a couple of MEC members are exactly that! And the only one who voted NO is in the demographic wheelhouse…have no idea what kind of drugs these folks are on. Maybe I need to get some…
07-05-2023 | 09:09 AM
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[QUOTE=gasnhaul;3660824]I see the kids are active this morning. Glad to see the temper tantrums are still going on.
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