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TomAce 07-09-2023 07:12 AM
Why FDX
 
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?

Our retirement will be on par with Pax airlines but with no CoC. Student lines are a major concession and are non industry standard. SUB is still a thing and non industry standard.
No profit sharing.
Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.
Memphis continues to slide into a worsening hellish landscape of crime and wreckless driving.

Maybe 777 flying is attractive enough to some to risk being a domestic bro doing night hub turns or sitting reserve in the most dangerous city in America?

magic rat 07-09-2023 07:23 AM
We get free popcorn and coffee during hub turns!

busdriver12 07-09-2023 07:28 AM
FedEx has never thought ahead as far as pilots go. They hire too many, they hire too few, they're always behind the curve. But right now it appears that they aren't thinking about attracting new hires, they're thinking about how to get rid of them. If they make things look bad enough, people will leave and they have to put out less furlough pay.

Flying Boxes 07-09-2023 07:35 AM
Originally Posted by busdriver12 (Post 3662871)
FedEx has never thought ahead as far as pilots go. They hire too many, they hire too few, they're always behind the curve. But right now it appears that they aren't thinking about attracting new hires, they're thinking about how to get rid of them. If they make things look bad enough, people will leave and they have to put out less furlough pay.
No doubt we have extra pilots. But union posted the furlough idea without showing SAM. Makes ALPA appear to be leading with fear & not facts.

Stan446 07-09-2023 09:35 AM
[QUOTE=TomAce;3662861]After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.

BlueMoon 07-09-2023 09:37 AM
[QUOTE=Stan446;3662964]
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
It was mentioned at some point, once, and only once.

USPS wants to truck more, though there has been a trucker shortage. So we’ll see how users of USPS like slower service for the same price. Could push more business to FedEx and UPS.

Lear 07-09-2023 10:12 AM
Wrecked
 
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?

Our retirement will be on par with Pax airlines but with no CoC. Student lines are a major concession and are non industry standard. SUB is still a thing and non industry standard.
No profit sharing.
Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.
Memphis continues to slide into a worsening hellish landscape of crime and wreckless driving.

Maybe 777 flying is attractive enough to some to risk being a domestic bro doing night hub turns or sitting reserve in the most dangerous city in America?
Quite the opposite of wreckless when there's a wreck in every corner.

Someone did the math not too long ago - we're still a significant amount of block hours away from 4a2b, let alone 2c. But at the latest TA roadshow, ALPA conveniently skipped over 2b (BLG reduction) and went straight to 2c (furlough) without showing any numbers. Selling the TA purely on fear. Unsat

gasnhaul 07-09-2023 10:14 AM
[QUOTE=Stan446;3662964]
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
*sigh* The usual broken record from a broken old FedEx pilot…if you don’t like it leave. How about something new like let’s make it a better place for everyone? You really do need to go away but I’m sure you’re hoping age 67 passes so you can make all of your FOs miserable for at least two more years.

BluePAX 07-09-2023 10:31 AM
[QUOTE=gasnhaul;3662982]
Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3662964)

*sigh* The usual broken record from a broken old FedEx pilot…if you don’t like it leave. How about something new like let’s make it a better place for everyone? You really do need to go away but I’m sure you’re hoping age 67 passes so you can make all of your FOs miserable for at least two more years.

​​​​​​Here here. There are some new faces in the ranks who are willing to stand up for what they're worth. Don't worry Stockholm syndrome sufferers, we will bring you a better contract soon enough.

gasnhaul 07-09-2023 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=BluePAX;3662994]
Originally Posted by gasnhaul (Post 3662982)


​​​​​​Here here. There are some new faces in the ranks who are willing to stand up for what they're worth. Don't worry Stockholm syndrome sufferers, we will bring you a better contract soon enough.
Stockholm syndrome😂 love it! Unfortunately only too true. Cheers and couldn’t have said it better!

TomAce 07-09-2023 11:20 AM
[QUOTE=Stan446;3662964]
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
The whole point of this thread is why new hires would come here. You literally proved my point by telling me to go elsewhere. And when people read this interaction, I wouldn’t blame them for looking elsewhere.

gasnhaul 07-09-2023 11:34 AM
[QUOTE=TomAce;3663020]
Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3662964)

The whole point of this thread is why new hires would come here. You literally proved my point by telling me to go elsewhere. And when people read this interaction, I wouldn’t blame them for looking elsewhere.
As a wise man once said…”you can’t fix stupid…not even with duct tape“

Corned Beef 07-09-2023 01:11 PM
Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3662964)
Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
Did someone step on your fragile ego, sweetheart??!

Temocil27 07-09-2023 01:20 PM
Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3662861)
If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
look at the title of the thread, Stan. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

YellowBanana 07-09-2023 02:07 PM
[QUOTE=Stan446;3662964]
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.

This place certainly sucks. The absolute worst airline for a pilot to be at right now and this garbage TA further confirms this. I sincerely hope we throw it in the trash and if that results in a furlough then so be it. Hopefully the stock will tank and Raj will get kicked to the curb where he belongs.

gasnhaul 07-09-2023 02:14 PM
[QUOTE=YellowBanana;3663103]
Originally Posted by Stan446 (Post 3662964)


This place certainly sucks. The absolute worst airline for a pilot to be at right now and this garbage TA further confirms this. I sincerely hope we throw it in the trash and if that results in a furlough then so be it. Hopefully the stock will tank and Raj will get kicked to the curb where he belongs.
Unfortunately most investors love “efficiency” which is what we’re being DRIVEN to. Raj will be hailed as the person responsible for “turning the company around” and making the investors rich through dividends and buy backs. If this TA passes then even more so…

YellowBanana 07-09-2023 02:21 PM
[QUOTE=gasnhaul;3663106]
Originally Posted by YellowBanana (Post 3663103)

Unfortunately most investors love “efficiency” which is what we’re being DRIVEN to. Raj will be hailed as the person responsible for “turning the company around” and making the investors rich through dividends and buy backs. If this TA passes then even more so…
great. Let them do it without us. Maybe Raj will outsource our jobs to his homeland.

gasnhaul 07-09-2023 02:23 PM
[QUOTE=YellowBanana;3663112]
Originally Posted by gasnhaul (Post 3663106)

great. Let them do it without us. Maybe Raj will outsource our jobs to his homeland.
Already happened…call iPad tech support recently🙄

Nordhavn 07-11-2023 07:03 AM
[QUOTE=Stan446;3662964]
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
After this TA, why would a new hire want to come here?


Loss of 60% of our day flying with the postal contract renegotiation next year.

Not true. But nice try. If this place sucks so much, there are tons of opportunities out there.
Stan,

Please tell us why someone would want to be a new hire here??? Granted, there ain't gonna be any new hires here for a while, but this is a 2nd tier major, NOW! With the proposed TA this place is worse than an LCC. I guess things are good for you though, right?

Stan446 07-11-2023 07:17 AM
[QUOTE=gasnhaul;3663106]
Originally Posted by YellowBanana (Post 3663103)

Unfortunately most investors love “efficiency” which is what we’re being DRIVEN to. Raj will be hailed as the person responsible for “turning the company around” and making the investors rich through dividends and buy backs. If this TA passes then even more so…
Not my post. You copied someone else.

Hacker15e 07-11-2023 08:15 AM
Originally Posted by TomAce (Post 3662861)
and wreckless driving.
No, we have plenty of pilots getting into wrecks in Memphis.


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