Congrats On Voting Down This POS
 

Let me be the first to congratulate all our NO voters on turning down this POS and saving our career. To the YES voters, we welcome to join us to fight for what we’ve earned. That’s how confident I am in our crew force, I’m putting out this early.

Final tally?

56/44...No.

Official??

I am glad, and relieved, that you are correct!

Now, what about those resignations?

except Stan. He sucks.

Adios PM (Pancake Man)

so sorry Stan won’t get his bump before mandatory retirement. we’ll call this a tax on toxicity. or karma.

And let me say: freaking finally a majority with the will to demand our worth.

I’m proud of you guys, teary-eyed proud!

now, off with their heads, every last one of them, and lets get to work.

Proud to be a member of the 56%!! Sorry about your retirement bump having to wait Stan.

LEC 22 has a meeting August 11 to start the process. If you are in that council, and you can't make the meeting, be sure to proxy your vote to someone who is in favor of recalling the two reps that aren't Tony.

I want to thank UA, DL, and AA for paving the path and standing up for themselves also, they definitely had an impact on our process. Rising tide…..

OH Well
 

I guess I didn't need that extra $30,000 in retirement. No surprise, we shouldn't have been giving anything back to this company after the COVID garbage we put up with.

I'm willing to bet it was more like 90% AGAINST / 10% FOR before the Smoke Shows began.

I stand with Tony C.

Let's unite, stronger than ever and get this right for all of us!

SCOPE, PAY, RETIREMENT, Q.O.L.!!!!!! Let's fk*cin' go!

For those retiring who voted YES! I will still advocate for you guys to get you bump in retirement from the Amendable date. I will advocate for retro pay and not a meager bonus you tried forcing down my throat.

#NO CONCESSIONS #DELTA+

44% voting Yes very sad.

When they hear nothing but "the Scope changes are GOOD, not bad" and "reject this and there will be furloughs" and "these are industry-leading pay rates but you have to look at TOTAL compensation and don't mind our incorrect bar graphs", well then it kind of makes sense they are believing what they are being incessantly pelted with and voting accordingly. Maybe next go-around we throttle back on the fire-hose propaganda and just let the thing live or die on its merits.

Everyone needs to remember how we got here. COVID caused a lot of isolation. The MEC needed to listen more. There needed to be more discussion and less transmission.

We need to thank everyone involved and understand the shortfalls of TA1.0. We now better understand what will be needed to achieve an industry leading contract with TA 2.0. We need to heal, and we need to listen to all side. It is time we get to work together and leave no one behind.

I am counting on every pilot who said they would help with TA 2.0 to roll up their sleeves and lend a hand. Everyone need to do a little. Together.

Well said. A good product will sell itself. Period. End of story.

with those voting results you’re prob more likely to get TA 1.1 vs TA 2.0. Really hope I’m wrong but that vote was way closer than it should’ve been.

After the last 3 years of propaganda you would think that folks who get paid to make informed decisions would be able to detect the BS a little better than this. This TA brought to you by ALPA. Industry leading is no different than safe and effective.

Yes - Listen to Understand. Not listen to just argue/refute.

Let’s Move Forward - Together - for Everyone,
DLax

Wonderful news to wake up to today. I’ve been vocal against 1.0 here and I’m willing to serve to bring us all a better 2.0. I look forward to comms from the union about how we can better align the NC agenda with the crew force agenda and I’ll be reaching out to my block rep (again) to ask about volunteering.

Come join uas we can use the help making it better for all.

Let's start with a survey that offers ALL OF THE NEGOTIATING OPTIONS. The previous survey essentially forced pancakes and pension elimination as the only choices. Also, no to single pilot, no to outsourcing our jobs, and it's time for less SUB, not more. Oh yeah, industry leading pay rates actually means industry leading pay rates.

So exactly how are you going to step up big guy?

Though I ended up voting yes, I agree. It is time to come together. If we stay 57-43, we won't get the contract we want. Time to act as one.

I can’t speak for Anthrax, but I contacted my block rep during the voting period to see if I could start a conversation about why he felt so positively about this TA. He never responded to me. I’m going to email him back and ask how I can step up and help out going forward. Hopefully he responds to that one.

Start a recall on them. If they can't be bothered to answer your emails, you don't want them as your block rep.

2871 “No” votes.
That’s the easy part. I sure never saw 2871 people at the picketing events. Maybe some of you will finally show up. We definitely need more than 10% if we are going to convince the company we are unified.

Oh my god. The company doesn't care about the silly little picketing events. A bunch of those at the picketing events voted YES for this steaming pile of dung because they were gonna get theirs. The only thing that will move the company is the threat of a strike.

Congratulations to our pilot group voting in favor of stating loud and clear: TA1's concessions will not be ratified by our group!

I am so glad to see we finally grew a collective pair! Particularly with the Scope issues this TA presented under this new management.

Without the road shows, videos, fear-based sales job from the NC, and the gold nuggets targeted at a very specific seniority sub-group, the vote more likely reflects 75-80% of our group in favor of continuing down the RLA path, knowing we will NOT vote in concessions. Not after covid, not after the $Billions executives have squeezed out through stock buybacks, not after our daytime flying pax bretheren for much less profitable carriers, are ratifying true industry leading contracts that do not require special math.

Congrats to this group. As TC wisely said, no one can know exactly where this is going, but we do know we didn't agree to a divisive TA that pits senior vs junior. We will not agree to a Pancake Plan! Finally our vote said that loud and clear to Pancake Man!! So satisfying. (sorry for the cheap shot, but man, you did NOT listen to us not wanting your plan for YEARS!) Thanks for stepping down NC, it is the correct move.

We will not ratify Reserve Rules that diminish our junior pilot's QOL. Nor will we ratify diminishing our senior pilot's QOL by becoming the first pilot group who does not get paid 100% while bumped for training, with a calendar to re-fill, or not, of his or her own choosing while contemplating at home with a beer in hand getting paid for 100% of his senior-as-**** FO line.

We know we will not ratify any of that. That is true strength, and leverage.

MEC's email says something along the lines of "we will reconvene in several weeks to see where we go from here". WHAT? How about the resignation process begins immediately, so that we know who will have to be recalled and who won't.

Or better yet, I wait to hear from TonyC on what we do next. Which by the way, if he says yes to the next TA, I won't even need to read it. He is the one guy who has stood strong in the face of this campaign of pressure to conform to the NC's narrative at any and all costs. Truly, TonyC, who would be ready to walk away with a nice pension bump and a great career here, chose to stand strong and not leave a legacy of an airline job that is lower quality than he got to enjoy. In fact, he wants to leave it better. A true Unionist.

Forward, together, with the unity and resolve this RLA process is distilling from our group.

So, I assume you won’t be showing up to picket? Just talk big on an anonymous forum. The “threat” to strike is meaningless without the unity to back it up; that’s what picketing demonstrates. And until the NMB releases us for self help (minimum 1 1/2 years) picketing is all we have. Flying your schedule is meaningless when you are 600-800 pilots overmanned.

As a United Pilot, I’m glad you all shot this thing down!!! We just went through this process and it’s not fun. But it looks to be necessary??? Hopefully you all will clean house and get this management stooges out!!! One of our guys posted something on our forums that said one of your union representatives was asking pilots to change their no vote to a yes vote? That should NEVER be stated by a union representative!!! Everyone’s vote is sacred…. Good luck to y’all!!!

Bravo to this pilot group for remembering the sacrifices that have been made these past few years, and deciding to fight for what is deserved.

And BTW, has anyone checked on Stan?

Baron, I'm sure we will have much, much stronger picket showings going forward.

The RLA process inclines us towards unity. That's what it's all about. This is the process.

Hopefully in 9 months we will have something worth voting yes for. If it had not been for your recent progress I think we would have ratified this piece of garbage TA.

Yo Stan, first several rounds on me buddy. Truly. It sucks we were pitted against each other like that.

You now see how our NC failed you by agreeing to put our pension bump in jeopardy with Scope and QOL concessions.

Lets hope so.

I hope that you do!!! As a former FedEx employee (worked the ramp for 4.5 years), flying purple tails was my dream. So, what you all are going through hurts me to see.

Having said all that, Delta went through this in 2015, we went through this over the past year, so what I’m saying is change is sometimes necessary, but painful. I’ll be watching from the cheap seats and hoping for a great result!!!