Third Rail
07-25-2023 | 02:00 PM
#11
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I think everyone is missing the elephant in the room.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
07-25-2023 | 02:25 PM
#13
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From: Gear Monkey
I think everyone is missing the elephant in the room.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
But of course, That WILL Remain the company’s goal.
The next NC & MEC shouldn’t send any new TA that won’t pass ratification across our diverse pilot group. They shouldn’t need to sell it. If the company doesn’t step up, ensure that’s put on the company! The 99% strike vote got their attention. A rejected TA created even more clarity. Peak is coming in 4 months and UPS just TA’d a new ground contract with their Teamsters
Business leaders & customers don’t like uncertainty - they can pay to remove it.
In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax
07-25-2023 | 03:17 PM
#14
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Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Crewmember
Idea:
A plan frozen at 260FAE for all with following exception: You can increase the FAE or increase your B plan on a sliding scale:
330 FAE keeps 9% B plan going forward.
260 FAE gets 15% b plan going forward.
300 FAE gets a 11% b plan, etc etc.
You would need experts to tweak the FAE/B plan percent ratio.
Would this make both groups happy?
A plan frozen at 260FAE for all with following exception: You can increase the FAE or increase your B plan on a sliding scale:
330 FAE keeps 9% B plan going forward.
260 FAE gets 15% b plan going forward.
300 FAE gets a 11% b plan, etc etc.
You would need experts to tweak the FAE/B plan percent ratio.
Would this make both groups happy?
400 FAE, now we're talking.
07-25-2023 | 03:19 PM
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From: Crewmember
I think everyone is missing the elephant in the room.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
The Company is going to have to raise the retirement offer, the pay offer and the scope language is going to have to improved or the net TA will not ratify.
The numbers show what was important to every group. No one or two fixes will get to 50% +1. Stay strong, stay focused and lets turn the temperature down.
We only win if we work together. Everything needs to improve, for everyone. That is the path forward.
And SMU lines have to go.... a long with 100% vacation sell back. You get the picture.
07-26-2023 | 05:23 AM
#18
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Joined: Dec 2006
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Idea:
A plan frozen at 260FAE for all with following exception: You can increase the FAE or increase your B plan on a sliding scale:
330 FAE keeps 9% B plan going forward.
260 FAE gets 15% b plan going forward.
300 FAE gets a 11% b plan, etc etc.
You would need experts to tweak the FAE/B plan percent ratio.
Would this make both groups happy?
A plan frozen at 260FAE for all with following exception: You can increase the FAE or increase your B plan on a sliding scale:
330 FAE keeps 9% B plan going forward.
260 FAE gets 15% b plan going forward.
300 FAE gets a 11% b plan, etc etc.
You would need experts to tweak the FAE/B plan percent ratio.
Would this make both groups happy?
Our NO Vote ensures that TA2 will not be crafted specifically for a small group of senior pilots at the cost of all future careers here, and at the cost future contract negotiations. By voting down the UTA we took the first step in breaking that cycle our union and company have been practicing: aim to make it just good enough for a small group of senior dudes.
I could see guys with financial understanding like DLax85 stepping up for TA2, and fine tuning the proper alternative ratios offered between DB and DC plans.
Also, I imagine our group would like to use our hard-earned dues to hire some very expensive, ruthless lawyers to sit down vs the company's lawyers. But, I know we won't do that. For some reason, we have to show through the process that professional pilots are not professional negotiators.
07-26-2023 | 04:14 PM
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https://www.airlineratings.com/news/passenger-news/emirates-777-suffers-hail-damage-take-off-milan/
i was holding waiting out this TS when emirates took off into it. It looked ugly. They probably thought they could turn prior to it. It developed on the southern face of the mountain.
Do not know the path that delta took.
i was holding waiting out this TS when emirates took off into it. It looked ugly. They probably thought they could turn prior to it. It developed on the southern face of the mountain.
Do not know the path that delta took.
07-30-2023 | 04:17 AM
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https://www.airlineratings.com/news/passenger-news/emirates-777-suffers-hail-damage-take-off-milan/
i was holding waiting out this TS when emirates took off into it. It looked ugly. They probably thought they could turn prior to it. It developed on the southern face of the mountain.
Do not know the path that delta took.
i was holding waiting out this TS when emirates took off into it. It looked ugly. They probably thought they could turn prior to it. It developed on the southern face of the mountain.
Do not know the path that delta took.
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