Yes most of it was bad. Name something that was good???

Pro TA rhetoric at this point is pointless. But, the nefarious motives and attitudes some of you anonymously accuse our reps of is sickening. "Stranglehold"? :rolleyes:

Even if every single rep (other than TC, the hero of APC/JF) stepped down today and were instantly magically replaced with all the better people who are going to right all the wrongs, that's not going to bring the NMB and the company back to the table any quicker.

How else would you describe their behavior? They voted 13-1 in favor of a deal that failed ratification. Some of their blocks voted 70%+ opposed, and yet they still refuse to step down. There is obviously a huge disconnect between the reps and the membership. Like I said, their own actions are now costing the group even more money as we need to forcibly remove them before proceeding. There is plenty that needs to happen before trying to meet with the NMB again.

And some blocks voted the way their block rep voted yet the loud crowd calls for their removal as well. Seems like they represented their blocks. It may not be the will of the majority but did represent their blocks 🤔

travel bank, reserve priority pick up, non contract hotel receipts, expense report notifications, grievance process - to name a few.

So TC is the hero? The guy that hasn’t paid dies in about 2 years and likely won’t ever pay again? I believe he couldn’t even vote on the TA? Hasn’t been paid by Fedex in how many years? There are others in same category. And he voted against his block? That’s how tied in he was to his constituents ? (Your constituents here have NEVER been your council - it’s always your block). But he you agree with him so damn the ethics - make him King!

He's paying his dues by working for free as a block rep and an LEC chair for free when he doesn't have to. To me that's more significant than your dues contribution.

He voted no so that his block would have a chance at getting a ratifiable TA. Should he have voted yes instead so that we'd be replacing 14 reps instead of 13? Doesn't make sense to me. Most of his yes-voting block doesn't even want him recalled. The amount of people that were at the meeting trying to recall Tony was so small, it was almost nonexistent.

Lol. Those were the big wins in the TA and you wonder why it got shot down? Oh, we don’t need a receipt for the hotel the company schedules for us and requires us to stay at? What a huge gain!

I'll agree to this list, as long as we admit these ITEMS were NEVER SURVEYED, and were clearly CONCESSIONS....

Restricted LCA/Student Lines
R24 to R16
Requirement to fly Min BLG after Vacation Buy Back
...to name a few.

The MEC, Block Reps, and NC Team Members failed to TRULY LISTEN when feedback was provided on each of these. Hopefully, TA 1.5/2.0 doesn't concede pilot flexibility or seniority.

In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone),
DLax

Wow, all those are adding so much money to my paycheck. This is what happens when you have blinders on, and your only focus has been the A fund for 10 years. Let it go! The vote is over. Stop trying to sell a TA that failed already.

Tell me this is your first airline job without telling me…

You see not having to submit a receipt for a hotel that the company booked for you as a win? They have been STEALING MONEY FROM US for years and you are here saying it’s a plus that we no longer have to keep a record of company-bought hotels for scheduled layovers just to not be payroll deducted 12 months later? Or even better, whenever they decide to close our expense reports? All mine from 2023 are open.

This place is a clown show on its best day.

Nobody else operates this way.

Sorry Tuck. I messed up and left off the :rolleyes:. The hero comment was pure sarcasm.

It still wasn't a gain. Instead of us providing a receipt, the company would provide us with a method by which they could obtain the receipt from the hotel directly. Meaning we would still be the intermediary and would be spending our free time trying to get the hotel to send the receipt to the company. If they book the hotel I'm not sure why they can't provide the hotel with the method to send them a receipt. A real gain would take us completely out of the loop.

improvemenrs are wins. This company will always live incrementally. You don’t realize that because you are likely still on probation. But hey all that regional time and your college degree from SW East Kansas makes you qualified.

No one HAS to be a lock rep. No one. So to be clear you are an advocate of anyone running regardless if they are getting a pay check from Fedex or paying ALPA dues? Should retirees be able to run? What about management non pilots? What’s the difference between them and TC?

what’s the argument for keeping TC in place after he voted si opposite his block? Don’t tell me no one showed up - tell me why YOU thought the block 5 rep should be recalled and TC should not even though they both voted against their block. Constituents have NEVER Been from
Memphis local council - only by block. You don’t realize that either because you don’t understand the system OR because you choose to ignore it since he’s in your tribe.

Wow…way to prove my point.

1. Well beyond probation.
2. Never worked for a regional.
3. Two degrees, neither from Kansas.

Do you still refer to yourself by your AF callsign and insist your wife address you as ‘Captain’?

Not to interfere with this most excellent cat fight, but this reminds me of something funny the wife and I do on role-play night. I don’t know about you guys, but for us it’s every other thursday, only she’s the captain now.

anyone else care to share?

You really enjoyed “captain Phillips” a little too much.

Normally I only come here to argue, but now I kind of want to hear more.

I'll say I completely disagree. Prior to any TA, the block reps should make sure they are in touch with their blocks and represent them in all discussions. The priorities they should prioritize are the priorities for their block. HOWEVER, once a TA is presented. Their job is vote on is the TA is in the best interests of the entire pilot group. It matters not which group they are in or how their group will vote. They are the 14 cross section representation of the crew force. They have one and only one job, is the TA worth recommending to the membership for voting. Period. Not will my block like this. But will the crew force as a whole like this. In that vain, they all (13) failed miserably. Now things had changed in the world post Covid and I think most people understood that. But by never acknowledging the changes both in the industry and what industry standard means, they failed us. They continue to fail us by not resigning. They are costing us 70Mil a month in their own words. I cannot EVER vote for any thing Pat brings to us. Or anything the current reps vote yes on. Except TC. I don't trust them and by hanging on for purely self-serving reasons they only tarnish any good will they might have had for their service. It does not mean anything TC says yes to will get a yes from me. I will continue to do my due diligence on the next offer also. On this TA, Tony's take mirrored my take.

You know it was bad when those are your "good". Receipts dude??:rolleyes:

what an embarrassment..

Total cost to the company - probably less than zero. I hope you were being sarcastic.

All administrative items that aid in successfully running the operation and shouldn’t require bargaining. I can’t imagine any other airline looking at this and thinking that any of these items are worth negotiating capital. This is indicative of a senior pilot that has forgotten the real issues facing this group when compared to our peers. Unconscionable.

I’m still in disbelief that this was actually tossed out as contractual gain. Meanwhile, no changes to reserve, system bidding, substitution, and the NC didn’t even get close to the goal of travel bank language in the Travel MOU becoming permanent.

It’s amazing. A contract gain that the company can’t pick your pocket of money owed to you for your labor due to a missing receipt for a hotel room they booked and is on your schedule to be there. That **** should have (should be) been settled in a courtroom.

as ALPA would say “that’s not how the company interprets the contract” then does nothing. Bye old MEC.

WTF are you writing here? You need to stop drinking brother. It is no wonder we have some of the problems we have here when you pull these out of the TA as "wins".

This dude(tte) gets it.

Im perfectly competent to handle my hotel receipts no problem. If you can’t do that then you shouldn’t be flying airplanes. That is NOT worth what we gave up.

I hope you and your fellow block 1 yes voters enjoy your retirement. You only had TWO other CBAs to fix it and ya didn’t. Buh-bye.

So the question was to name one positive thing in the TA - I went for the low hanging fruit.

If you’re going to disparage the 1 Rep with enough backbone and vision that was in harmony with over 57% of membership, I’d suggest you need to work your way up the tree, cuz expense reports isn’t a reason to vote for stinky TA.

Apparently you needed the word “significant” or “meaningful” to better understand the question.

With your standard, you could’ve gone with “It’s printed on newer paper”.

Buddy you picked that fruit up off the ground.

Try giving examples of meaningful improvements besides pay rates that don’t keep up with inflation.

Qualified folks?? It doesn’t matter how many militant people “step up”. FedEx will not roll over to massive demands just because you elect new people. The freight always moves and short of a quick fix, it’s going to be years and massive monetary losses by the pilot group before anything gets done.

Blame the MEC and NC for that. They’re the ones who settled and wasn’t willing to continue fighting although we had 99% strike authorization. This TA should not have been sent to the crew force. If they felt like there was nothing else they could do or achieve, they should have said so and stepped aside.

Massive losses by the pilot group
 

If all you are worried about is the lost pay for 2 more years, why aren’t you advocating for just taking the company openers almost 3 years ago. You could have had their offer then. There is more to fight for than just pay.

New blood in the block reps
 

I think it will be good to get some fresh faces elected as block reps. Although it may end up pretty close on voting majority with the old guard who I anticipate will continue to side with the old establishment. A lot of my co workers who didn't like TA 1.0 voted to retain the current leadership, in the interest of expediting a new TA. I do not know what the company is plotting but they could come back and try to push Turd 1.5 over the line while Fedex ALPA is in disarray.

It’s naive to think FedEx is going to roll over and give any MEC members from the past present or future anything different. It doesn’t matter who we put in there. And nothing would’ve moved if the current union leadership just said no to everything. The mediator would not have been impressed with a militant, you’re not negotiating at all attitude.

So you’re throwing the white flag saying that was the best we could do? All the concessions, meager pay raises, insufficient retro pay etc! Well I’d rather walk away.

so many tears. it’s ok to cry, despite what others tell you. let it out. there there.