45% didn’t think it was laughable. Very close to passing. Mind boggling that 45% would vote for the failed TA, big mountain to climb.

Most of the folks that voted yes are close to retirement and wanted to get something instead of nothing on their way out the door.

Yeah right.

I WISH we had 2000 pilots near retirement.

Well vote for this:

• or furlough
• 4.A.2.b-c
• lose 70 million monthly
• Or next deal is 3 years away

Would drive more than a few people to the yes column and not unreasonably so.

Furlough and reduced BLGs evidently didn’t drive many to the yes column based on the % NO votes by blocks. The junior guys had the guts to send this thing back and I thank them for it.

We constantly degrade VTOs with all the conflicts. I don’t like the student line garbage but if it doesn’t go away, just give the guy with the student line the next line he can hold at a premium. Stop adding stuff to the makeup window and degrading VTOs. Yes that means somebody further down the list doesn’t hold that line and maybe gets a VTO but at least they come in at their seniority not before the #1 VTO. Our bidding process is unnecessarily drawn out and complicated.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!! If they want my line for training the I should get paid for it and do as I choose to with my time off period!!!! No fancy changes or language

Remember that when TA 2.0 comes up in 12-24 months, 400+ new hires will be able to vote (80% would have voted NO in TA 1) and 200-300 senior pilots (80% voted Yes in TA 1.0) will have retired.
Thats a 500+ pilot swing in favor of the NO type voters.

Even this process will reduce the total need for FOs. If an LCA trip is eventually NOT filled with a student, they will merely fill it with a Reserve pilot

Read the Sep SIG Notes - look how they are now assigning (non-sick) Open Time trips to R24 guys well in advance, to prevent other pilots from picking up trips and getting paid

They want Reserve Utilization way up - it’s a sunk cost to them

Precisely why the SIG is now suggesting guys Proffer trips rather than Drop Trips

So let’s review some of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd order effects of Student Lines:

- FO is blocked from preferred line (possibly home town)

- FO must fly a lesser choice line to get paid

- More FOs picking up more trips, and more of the the very best trips, during View/Add window - possibly before more senior FOs, who were awarded VTOs

- Less trips in Open Time

- Higher Reserve Utilization for ALL Reserve Types: A, B, R24/R16 when students are eventually not assigned

- Higher Reserve Utilization means harder to drop/move R-days…..and harder to drop trips

- Less flexibility and QOL for all

- Less FOs needed / Less Hiring

Delta Mgmt tried to block FOs from being paired with LCAs within their PBS System during their first TA back in 2015. The Delta NC & MEC initially agreed. The Delta line pilots said “No Way”and voted that TA down, and that language was removed during TA2.0

The company is constantly seeking ways to subjugate seniority and become more efficient. They don’t like hard line bidding - they want to force more pilots into the View/Add & VTO process - aka “Back Door PBS”

WE LOUDLY Communicated - NO PBS during our 2015 negations

WE need to LOUDLY Communicate - NO Student Lines now!

This pilot efficiency concession was never surveyed and the actual effects were never revealed. Luckily, it’s an easy fix.

Just say NO - we’re keeping current CBA language & process when any & every pilot gets bumped by the company for student training

In Transparency, Integrity & Unity (for Everyone)
DLax

It appears the MEC Chair fired both the PATH Chair and Pro Stans Chair.


Anyone want to work for our MEC before we R&R the officers and several Reps? Seems like more and more positions are opening up quickly.


And I thought it couldn't get worse. Well at least we don't have to wonder any more....