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Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3688982)

I believe the only ones predicting an exodus are those posting about it on the Mass Exodus thread. If it is truly as bad here as some say, why would you stay. If you say you are only staying, willing to be stagnant for a couple of years working under low BLG's and a contract that has been amendable for 2 years because you want to make things better, you are playing the martyr.

Concession lade contract? Come on man!! Yes, there were some concessions, but claiming it was a concession laden contract is disingenuous at best.

If we aren't overmanned, then why are so many lines being bought up?

Other than a pay increase which is mandatory and a change to the retirement which ultimately benefits the Company or they would NEVER have gone for it, exactly what changes were NOT concessionary? Please save your breath mentioning any no-cost-to-the-Company items like expense reports.

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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 3689024)

FYI, there’s already a leave of absence available in the current CBA. If someone wants one there’s nothing stopping them. Same with early retirement. TA1 also provided incentive to go in the form of a reset on the notification bonus, but obviously that’s not an option now.
How will these “discussions” occur that you suggest? Who represents us? The NC that produced TA1? The portion of the MEC under recall? When? You mean when we finally get back in front of the NMB?

I know it i(leave of absence) is in the CBA. I know how to process such a request. But does the membership know? Is the membership being educated on that process?

You (Union/company) tell us we are overmanned but yet there is no discussion on leave of absences. Here is how that conversation can start “pilots we are overmanned and we are actively researching LOA options for you all. We will be also entertaining requests for outside flying while on LOA”. You (Union) started this furlough talk as a stick to sway voters. If that threat was as serious as they said we would have engaged the pilots and company on LOAs and early retirement programs. So there you have it fellow poster, an easy low cost way to start the discussion if their furlough threat was at sky is falling levels. It is not.

so the saying comes to mind “either sh#% or get off the pot”

Who will represent us? There is a process. We are recalling certain block reps and when that is over. We will have new leaders. In the transit period, interim reps can be appointed.

I was told by our Union there will be no expedient deal. Yet, here we are with a rejected deal with all the expedient fixings (NMB can’t meet until labor day so we need to get this done now). I was not in a rush pre TA1.0 for a deal and I am in no rush now. My positions still remain the same, I can survive on min BLG and preparing for my furlough if it comes. It is often suggested the junior crowd is in a hurry, and have no patience. Well, none of my junior peers are in a rush for a repeat of TA2.0. Recalls take time, polling takes time, aligning NMB, Union and Company schedules take time.

I would say be patient with the processes and take the time to reflect on what is really important to you for TA2.0.

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Originally Posted by Yuko;[url=tel:3689319

3689319[/url]]I know it i(leave of absence) is in the CBA. I know how to process such a request. But does the membership know? Is the membership being educated on that process?

You (Union/company) tell us we are overmanned but yet there is no discussion on leave of absences. Here is how that conversation can start “pilots we are overmanned and we are actively researching LOA options for you all. We will be also entertaining requests for outside flying while on LOA”. You (Union) started this furlough talk as a stick to sway voters. If that threat was as serious as they said we would have engaged the pilots and company on LOAs and early retirement programs. So there you have it fellow poster, an easy low cost way to start the discussion if their furlough threat was at sky is falling levels. It is not.

so the saying comes to mind “either sh#% or get off the pot”

Who will represent us? There is a process. We are recalling certain block reps and when that is over. We will have new leaders. In the transit period, interim reps can be appointed.

I was told by our Union there will be no expedient deal. Yet, here we are with a rejected deal with all the expedient fixings (NMB can’t meet until labor day so we need to get this done now). I was not in a rush pre TA1.0 for a deal and I am in no rush now. My positions still remain the same, I can survive on min BLG and preparing for my furlough if it comes. It is often suggested the junior crowd is in a hurry, and have no patience. Well, none of my junior peers are in a rush for a repeat of TA2.0. Recalls take time, polling takes time, aligning NMB, Union and Company schedules take time.

I would say be patient with the processes and take the time to reflect on what is really important to you for TA2.0.

I’ve reached out to the company more than 6 months ago about an outside flying request. My fleet captain said it would probably be disapproved but sent it up the chain. It was denied.

After the mentions of overstaffing I reached out again to ask if there would be any relief, none.

I reached out to my block rep and via Dart. The basic answer I received is the company doesn’t have a process to account for the outside commercial flying time. No mention of making attempts to make it happen for the pilot group.

Taking a personal LOA with no outside flying would be approved.

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Originally Posted by diamnd15 (Post 3689374)

Diamnd

Thanks for that update!

I read…We are overmanned but turning down folks for LOAs and not entertaining outside flying to entice members to do so.

So can we furlough? Sure, but the facts says that the threat is not a serious one. The longer TA2.0 takes the less impact “overmanned” will have as retirements grow.

To my fellow poster, Adler... Diamnd’s response illustrates where the Union could be engaging the company if we were truly overmanned and needed to shed pilots. We may be overmanned this minute but the facts show that we are not serious about shedding pilots.

I don't hold a position in ALPA and I wasn't involved in any discussions about overmanning or furlough. In fact, I recently posted some skepticism about the extent of any overmanning and opined that a furlough is probably unlikely.

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Originally Posted by Yuko (Post 3689319)

I know it i(leave of absence) is in the CBA. I know how to process such a request. But does the membership know? Is the membership being educated on that process?

:confused: Now it's ALPA's job to tell pilots what's in the CBA and read it to them? Somehow you figured out there's a LOA option available and how to process the request. But apparently everyone else's contract reading comprehension isn't quite up to your level. ;)
If our pilots are interested in a LOA, I feel pretty confident in their ability to read the CBA and start the process. If they end up with questions or difficulties, there are plenty of resources and people to help.

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Originally Posted by Yuko (Post 3689319)

I was told by our Union there will be no expedient deal. Yet, here we are with a rejected deal with all the expedient fixings (NMB can’t meet until labor day so we need to get this done now).

Um... Wut?
I really have no idea what you're trying to say here. "Expedient fixings"? I believe there was a statement made by the NC that the NMB was not going to be available until some time after Labor Day. That's a big target. I doubt anyone is going to be meeting ON Labor Day.