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Old 12-24-2023, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy View Post
It’s an interesting philosophical difference that UPS took direct action to remove excess pilots by offering incentives.

Meanwhile, management at FedEx would rather force us in to 4.a.2.b/c to lower the cost structure rather than offer financial incentives.

FedEx literally wants pilots to financially pay for managerial mistakes of poor planning.
Exactly! Management does NOT care about us. We are a cost center. That is all. So next time you push through a family event or sickness to “complete the mission”, realize you’re a tool. That’s all.
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Old 12-26-2023, 08:55 PM
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Exactly! Management does NOT care about us. We are a cost center. That is all. So next time you push through a family event or sickness to “complete the mission”, realize you’re a tool. That’s all.
And to rub it in the pilot’s face with today’s huge stock buyback proves they truly don’t care at all, even worse shoving it in your faces! Unbelievable.
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Old 12-27-2023, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamo View Post
Exactly! Management does NOT care about us. We are a cost center. That is all. So next time you push through a family event or sickness to “complete the mission”, realize you’re a tool. That’s all.
The way it has always been, and yet it blows my mind how many pilots claim fealty to the throne.

The throne looks down on us with a boot in our faces because we have collectively failed to challenge their rule.

And we’ve had far too many insiders colluding with the opposition for whatever favors they hope to gain.

IDK, maybe our new union leaders will be different, but even so, it’s going to take considerable effort to stand up for what we deserve when far too many in the ranks prefer negotiating on their knees.
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Old 12-28-2023, 12:39 PM
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The way it has always been, and yet it blows my mind how many pilots claim fealty to the throne.

The throne looks down on us with a boot in our faces because we have collectively failed to challenge their rule.

And we’ve had far too many insiders colluding with the opposition for whatever favors they hope to gain.

IDK, maybe our new union leaders will be different, but even so, it’s going to take considerable effort to stand up for what we deserve when far too many in the ranks prefer negotiating on their knees.
Too many people on our seniority list getting good deals in cushy office/management/flight test jobs that only care about hourly rate and retirement. They also seem to be the vocal intimidators who are trying to get everyone else to accept a contract that gives away their work rules/career progression/career aspirations/etc. I'm sure they're expecting to be rewarded for their fealty with a promotion or even cushier assignment. It's career suicide for one of them to admit that TA1.0 was not a good deal for the majority of FedEx pilots.
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Old 12-28-2023, 01:54 PM
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Didn"t see anything in earnings report that they had to execute 767 options by end of Dec and that they might be in jeopardy as the Pat audio seemed to indicate.

1 - As of November 30, 2023, we are committed to purchase 17 B767F aircraft and have options to purchase an additional 50 B767F aircraft.
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Of course the earnings report is not going to show the entire contract that FedEx has with Boeing with regards to the 767. It's a quarterly report not on everything FedEx. I don't know what's in the contact but I am sure there are option gates where FedEx needs to decide on whether they will exercise the options.
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Old 12-28-2023, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by NoHaz View Post
Didn"t see anything in earnings report that they had to execute 767 options by end of Dec and that they might be in jeopardy as the Pat audio seemed to indicate.

1 - As of November 30, 2023, we are committed to purchase 17 B767F aircraft and have options to purchase an additional 50 B767F aircraft.
Did he say which December? my guess is that they would have to commit by Dec 24 if there's any grain of truth to what he's saying.
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Old 12-29-2023, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by NoHaz View Post
Didn"t see anything in earnings report that they had to execute 767 options by end of Dec and that they might be in jeopardy as the Pat audio seemed to indicate.

1 - As of November 30, 2023, we are committed to purchase 17 B767F aircraft and have options to purchase an additional 50 B767F aircraft.
All new, or used?
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Fedex has bought over 140 new 767 off the production line, options are for new.Don't think you can get options on used. All the Fedex 767 where newly delivered.
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Old 12-29-2023, 01:40 PM
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Fedex has bought over 140 new 767 off the production line, options are for new.Don't think you can get options on used. All the Fedex 767 where newly delivered.
Too bad the company screwed up and didn't buy 757's off the line when Boeing was try to keep the line open.
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