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Originally Posted by Westerner
(Post 3796476)
I've been generally impressed by all the people I work with. I don't know the new MEC members but I assume the same with them. Why are you so pessimistic on their abilities? They seem organized and have selected a good MEC and NC in my opinion. The last MEC and NC couldn't produce a ratifiable TA. It was time to move on.
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Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
(Post 3796509)
4a2c probably got hired around the late late 90s, or very early 2000s, at a very young age, and would have benefitted from TA2023 in an outsized manner compared to the rest of the pilot group by getting the full 130k pension amount while also getting 20 years or so of MBCBP contributions and still have the 401k as well. Truly would have been a sweatheart deal for her. Whatever comes next probably won't be as good of a deal for someone in that narrow situation. Once you understand that, you'll understand why she's so upset that TA2023 failed.
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Originally Posted by 4a2c
(Post 3796453)
Maybe the juveniles at the "New" MEC can make a cute tweet or Facebook post highlighting the fact that some of our pilots actually think this event was both intentional and inspiring ! We are lucky that we have this job because most of the pilots (at least those on the MEC and posting here) would probably be unemployed if they had to do a real job.
I can't see it now, a nice little screenshot (blurred appropriately) with the screen above the execs head saying "see FDX this is what your pilots think of your actions". mic drop by the new MEC comm team. Maybe they can engage bevis and butthead since they are back on the scene with the latest SNL skit. This ain't SWAPA and btw those that think mean tweets got them their CBA need a review of their medical qualification, it was not the mean tweets it was the pilot attrition that got them theirs. It worked too, they stopped hiring altogether since no one is leaving, not that they can bnow anyway. |
Originally Posted by plzdontfireme
(Post 3796509)
4a2c probably got hired around the late late 90s, or very early 2000s, at a very young age, and would have benefitted from TA2023 in an outsized manner compared to the rest of the pilot group by getting the full 130k pension amount while also getting 20 years or so of MBCBP contributions and still have the 401k as well. Truly would have been a sweatheart deal for her. Whatever comes next probably won't be as good of a deal for someone in that narrow situation. Once you understand that, you'll understand why she's so upset that TA2023 failed.
How is it going so far ? What dates are on the schedule ? oh ya, none. Tick tock TCT, TC, CC, JT and the rest of the tough guys. |
Originally Posted by 4a2c
(Post 3796526)
I have never said I was so disappointed that TA1 failed, you think you know me, but I definitely know you, and to the other posters question, the issue is that the New MEC is making promises it cannot bring. They continue to underestimate our position(s) in the world, most notably, that we are NOT nor will ever be in direct bargaining until the next CBA. There are only two ways out of the NMB grasp and they don't have the fire power to wait out a release and even if we got one (in years) they would falter in execution as the Company would likely have such a battle plan in place it would scare people so badly that the lines would be crossed faster than pilots at free MGT pizza events. What they need to do is settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money and get that timer going to get back into direct bargaining for the next deal.
How is it going so far ? What dates are on the schedule ? oh ya, none. Tick tock TCT, TC, CC, JT and the rest of the tough guys. |
Originally Posted by 4a2c
(Post 3796526)
I have never said I was so disappointed that TA1 failed, you think you know me, but I definitely know you, and to the other posters question, the issue is that the New MEC is making promises it cannot bring. They continue to underestimate our position(s) in the world, most notably, that we are NOT nor will ever be in direct bargaining until the next CBA. There are only two ways out of the NMB grasp and they don't have the fire power to wait out a release and even if we got one (in years) they would falter in execution as the Company would likely have such a battle plan in place it would scare people so badly that the lines would be crossed faster than pilots at free MGT pizza events. What they need to do is settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money and get that timer going to get back into direct bargaining for the next deal.
How is it going so far ? What dates are on the schedule ? oh ya, none. Tick tock TCT, TC, CC, JT and the rest of the tough guys. |
Originally Posted by 4a2c
(Post 3796526)
I have never said I was so disappointed that TA1 failed, you think you know me, but I definitely know you, and to the other posters question, the issue is that the New MEC is making promises it cannot bring. They continue to underestimate our position(s) in the world, most notably, that we are NOT nor will ever be in direct bargaining until the next CBA. There are only two ways out of the NMB grasp and they don't have the fire power to wait out a release and even if we got one (in years) they would falter in execution as the Company would likely have such a battle plan in place it would scare people so badly that the lines would be crossed faster than pilots at free MGT pizza events. What they need to do is settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money and get that timer going to get back into direct bargaining for the next deal.
How is it going so far ? What dates are on the schedule ? oh ya, none. Tick tock TCT, TC, CC, JT and the rest of the tough guys. Counting money that was never yours is a fools errand and publicly entreating the current leadership "settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money" is just what management wants to hear. It is a sad and pathetic state of affairs. |
Originally Posted by Shaman
(Post 3796561)
It was the decision of the Previous NC and MEC to enter expedited mediation on 09/29/2022. That's how we got in the "grasp" of the NMB. So direct you fire at those who put us in this position. It was their statements the company used as a cudgel in response to our proffer of arbitration and request for release. Not a single one of them has taken reponsibility for those actions or shown the slightest bit of regret. In fact they want to complain about the process and the membership unwilling to cosign their bad deal.
Counting money that was never yours is a fools errand and publicly entreating the current leadership "settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money" is just what management wants to hear. It is a sad and pathetic state of affairs. I hear they chose the title already: "Collectively Bargain in The Most Unsuccessful Manner, a How-To Guide" written by CN, PM, RB, et al. |
Originally Posted by Shaman
(Post 3796561)
It was the decision of the Previous NC and MEC to enter expedited mediation on 09/29/2022. That's how we got in the "grasp" of the NMB. So direct you fire at those who put us in this position. It was their statements the company used as a cudgel in response to our proffer of arbitration and request for release. Not a single one of them has taken reponsibility for those actions or shown the slightest bit of regret. In fact they want to complain about the process and the membership unwilling to cosign their bad deal.
Counting money that was never yours is a fools errand and publicly entreating the current leadership "settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money" is just what management wants to hear. It is a sad and pathetic state of affairs. |
Originally Posted by Shaman
(Post 3796561)
It was the decision of the Previous NC and MEC to enter expedited mediation on 09/29/2022. That's how we got in the "grasp" of the NMB. So direct you fire at those who put us in this position. It was their statements the company used as a cudgel in response to our proffer of arbitration and request for release. Not a single one of them has taken reponsibility for those actions or shown the slightest bit of regret. In fact they want to complain about the process and the membership unwilling to cosign their bad deal.
Counting money that was never yours is a fools errand and publicly entreating the current leadership "settle this deal, as quickly as possible, before we lose more ground/money" is just what management wants to hear. It is a sad and pathetic state of affairs. |
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