I would ask you and everyone to stop arguing and row in the same direction, and try to have some semblance of unity, but that will never happen. The truth is, Tuck, that you and a good minority of the crew force will gladly vote yes on anything put before you so long as it has a pension bump and maybe a small pay raise. They could shut this place down and furlough everyone in exchange for $30K a year extra and you would vote yes. That’s the fundamental issue and that’s why we will
never be fully unified at this airline. Go ahead and recall the MEC and delay a new retirement another few years.

I’ve tried this line for 2 years. You are correct but they will never listen. Until we find a retirement solution to switch to that makes everyone happy instead of one that incentivizes single issue voting decisions to switch to we will always be divided. Can be as simple as just tying automatic raises to the pension. Or making pension raises retroactive back to amenable date. Both would eliminate the incentive to vote based on a single issue.

Wait… is it amenable or amendable?

There you go rowing in your own direction again. The MEC and NC have said that they are using polling data to ask for what the majority want. The NC has said that their retirement ask has been to keep the A plan for all pilots. So, every time you try to negotiate in public for something else, you are being divisive.

There are reasons you can't have an unlimited cap on a pension. If you listen to what the NC puts out, you would know why they can't make pension raises retroactive.

You seem to be a single issue voter, and have said that if our rates are one nickel less that Delta's, it's a NO from you. So why is your single issue more important than someone else's? I know, because you only care about rowing in the same direction if they let you decide the direction.

How about you get on board and stop negotiating against our NC!

Industry standard pay isn’t even a discussion. NC thinks the same thing.

Keep the pension. Doesn’t change that we must find a way to eliminate single issue yes votes. Since the pension is truly the only one that exists because of retirement dates, that’s the biggie that needs to be reevaluated. I don’t even blame the voters to be honest. What else are they realistically supposed to do? The system is what we should be mad at and what we have to change.

amenable date

And the NC has a retirement plan. So, are you going to row with them or are you going to keep rowing against them?

Everything is on the table until a TA is signed. That’s why TA1 failed because we didn’t like the NC’s “plans”

Would love to hear your thoughts on if my fears are valid or not that single item voting issues are harmful to our unity…

Tell me you don't know how Section 6 works without telling me you don't know how Section 6 works.

The context is that they’re taking about retirement.

He’s not implying every section of the contract is open to negotiation.

Old guys get a clue
 

I get such a kick out of the 60+ crowd saying "it's been two years and no progress". Want to know why there's no "progress"? Because you folks think that somehow, some way the junior guys are eventually going to cave in to a concessionary contract with below industry pay and back pay and scope concessions. It's not going to happen. Watching the NC do GOD'S WORK while you people sit there and complain about them got old months ago. Now we just sit back and watch you retire one by one on contract 2015. But you got a pound of flesh on a What's App texting group!

Here's another one. We are 700 pilots lighter on the seniority list, but the contract continues to be valued the same as 2023 by the company and NMB. Gee wiz, that's unusual.

You old guys that got the pension increase dangled in front of you have a choice. Get behind what's happening so everyone can be taken care of, or you will continue to drop like flies on the 2015 contract. It's very straight forward. As the lovely people on the SM text group say "it's just business", right? Well, there's your "business decision". Leave on 2015, or get with the program. Because you aren't a majority. Ok, bye.

Nice post glad to see you are all in for yourself. You’re so clueless that the company is kicking your ass. The MEC is doing the company’s work for them. Didn’t know the NC is like the Blues Brothers.

Actually quite to the contrary. 90% of the pilot group was asleep while PM and his boys tried to rob the bank. Crazy they would even put something like TA 1.0 in front of us quite honestly. But here's the difference between you and me - I am happy you might get a pension bump and happy to vote to keep that increase from TA 1.0. But that increase isn't coming on the backs of our work rules, pay, and scope. You may want to think about who you're calling "one way" my man.

Bravo. LOUDER for the SM in the back.

They've so successfully annoyed a large part of the pilot group over the years with their pithy little comments and their “all for me, none for you” approach to TA .9, a lot of us would vote no again just out of spite.

130k club, anyone?

This is so true. A recall will cost us another 6-9 months best case. These monkeys submit for a recall with no real plan to win over the majority of the crew force. They forget that changing the MEC again will not lead to a ratifiable TA in the unlikely event that another SM piece of garbage makes it that far. These people are truly the Senile Minority.

I’ll tell you one thing. The dudes who have been here 8 years or less are pretty unified

Maybe they should use their unified selves against the company and not against fellow pilots. Pretty much sounds like they are not all in except for themselves.

Personal attacks and intimidation are way more fun.

You selfish SM yes voters are the company. You’re just hiding behind a dingy yellow pilot shirt and epaulettes.

company… SM… same thing.

Jerk Ryan, You tough guys are getting played by the company and don’t even know it.

All the guys sadly retiring with no pension raise are the ones getting played. It’s a shame.

"Never woulda been hired if it weren't for COVID" have selfishly screwed over HUNDREDS of pilots with no plan and NO HOPE of ever getting a TA. It's a shame.

The pilots had tons of leverage during Covid before lots of us were even here or were on probation. You missed your chance

the guys sadly retiring with no pension raise are the ones getting played. It’s a shame.

Really, they are the ones holding things up? Look in the mirror. They ones retiring are the ones sadly getting screwed.

TC and his group of tough guys sure are showing the NMB and the company. Who got played on the recent no tie joke? I know TC has retired but I am sure his lackeys have him on speed dial.

they are retiring with a 26 year old pension number. They got played. Not completely though. Dudes conservatively made an extra 1M total in the 3.5 years of COVID. That’s 33 years worth of a 30K pension raise. Hopefully they didn’t spend it all in 1 place. We have to stop all the bleeding. Hope negotiations start again soon

The ones that retired more than a year ago didn’t get played. They just were a victim of the system. The ones retiring since the new MEC took over are the ones getting screwed. Oh by the way you are getting screwed too. How’s that BLG going?

Im sorry thousands screwed over hundreds. That’s actually how a majority works.

I am not talking about TA 1 getting voted down. I am talking about the fits in power now. Most of them got voted in because of poor union rules. Kinda like the company taking advantage of the contract.

IDGAF lewser
 

Another ALPA by-law and council structure denier. What part of high, middle, and low seniority block in a Memphis council don't you get? Multiple airlines use the time honored system to prevent the exact thing we just witnessed - one group trying to screw the other two.

Dude, it is hilarious watching you try to defend yourself and your chums trying to rob the rest of the seniority list on the way out the door. Face the issue at hand head on. The TA was garbage, and if you don't get behind something for everyone you'll check out shortly with no pension increase. And IDGAF mister $130k club. Ok, bye.

Dude you have it backwards and other ALPA carriers do not vote like we do. Each blick should have control of their block. Don’t worry FedEx will do a bit g hire again and I am sure that group will have learned from your loser group to screw you over too.

Don’t worry I will be fine. Too bad you will have a career of getting screwed. A few angry chumps like yourself will be the losers and n this battle.

Nice job being a bunch of one ways. Guess the truth hurt so you got fired up and put down your gaming set in your moms basement.

Which pilots will be making the value that allows the senior pilots not to enjoy a trip to the PBGC? You think that Fedex won't maneuver to its maximum benefit to drop that pension requirement?

And those pilots were WILDLY misinformed as to what represents "industry standard." For example, happy to accept Substitution as a industry standard work rule.

Had we accepted Pat's scope plan, the idea of a "big hire" ever again in Memphis is laughable. The big wigs were bragging in Memphis about the upcoming MEM-NRT flight with Fedex freight on it.

[acecrackshot;3934956]Which pilots will be making the value that allows the senior pilots not to enjoy a trip to the PBGC? You think that Fedex won't maneuver to its maximum benefit to drop that pension requirement?l

Shows how ignorant you are of our A fund. Big mouth little brain.

Ha, weren't the rock ribbed unionist? Its so hard to figure what your post posture is, especially when you were calling for furloughs.

I mean, if that's not leadership, I don't know what is.

Lies lies lies
 

Ok got it. So the former MEC's attempt to change the council and block rules after they weren't able to rob the bank should have gone perfectly, right? ALPA national should have just rubber stamped the change they proposed? But they didn't. So, I guess I will just crawl back into my low seniority block hole and wish that your senior buddies had more say in how they can decimate a contract on the way out the door. How silly of everyone to rely on such a biased system!

Maybe you should reread about what I said about furloughs. Bad mouthing senior guys and wanting them to go suck it,then when I turn the tides and said maybe we should furlough your thong went way up your crack.

Having a few cocktails? You’re coming across as an even bigger ******** than usual, which is quite a feat. I really hope the junior folks at FDX dick stomp your type.

Sounds like you are not even a FedEx pilot. Go crawl back in your hole.

So it is ok for junior to crap all over the senior. I want a fair contract for all. But some in here want a contract for themselves but have no clue other than bashing other pilots. Funny they don’t know who the enemy is.

The company is the enemy— they’ve destroyed and loyalty from the 2014 and later hires for the rest of our careers. But it’s just business.

But the SM is a massive cancer within this pilot group. Company apologists— now that is scary.