FDX - Sick Note - Cost Effective Solution
#21
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Please excuse my rant, but we are a 24 hour, 365 day a year airline. I pay thousands of dollars to my Union to represent me. I have on occasion had to call the Union Offices (M-F, 0800-1600) and speak with the contract folks to get an interpretation of whether or not something was legal. The problem is I have been less than impressed with our supposed experts. Most the time they don't know the contract any better than I do, or it's almost like you are speaking with someone on the company side of the table.
We need a 24 hour Pilot Contract Hotline
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line). I'm tired of the FLY FIRST, GRIEVE LATER policy. Especially with our record of winning any grievance.
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
We need a 24 hour Pilot Contract Hotline
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line). I'm tired of the FLY FIRST, GRIEVE LATER policy. Especially with our record of winning any grievance.
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
I've had several occasions where I believed I had a clear interpretation of the contract, but knew if I was wrong it could have negative repercussions. So I always call if there is any doubt.
CE has a database of decisions, interpretations, and grievances that are not published on our FDX ALPA site or clearly delineated in the contract. CE can inform you of how a specific situation was handled & decide previously, and if it is in the company's favor, they will use these decisions as precedent.
In a few instances what I thought was my clear interpretation, was NOT how the company interpreted the contract with decisional case history. NOT what I wanted to hear, but the answer saved me from making a bad decision.
I asked/suggested that a searchable database/compendium be made available to all dues paying members so that when a situation arises when CE is not working (M-F 09-1600) members can find the information. CE stated that there was an ALPA volunteer that started on the project but did not finish (didnt say why) but that it was a pretty big project, and there were issues of making html hyperlinks in an online contract to case history etc.
My experience with CE is that they will research your situation & call email back, if they can't tell you real time on the phone.
Many of these issues are the result of weak contract language, that allows the company liberal interpretation, and they take those liberties knowing that some of the crew force will just roll-over, (thus setting a decisional precedent), or they accept the risk of losing a grievance (historically low for them) all the while meeting their immediate term need. (fly now -grieve later).
IMHO part of the new contract impetus should be to tighten up the contractual language so that the only interpretation is the one that was negotiated.
#22
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There are a couple of trains of thought on why this is happening, maybe it's a combination of things. Is it to distract us from our negotiations? Probably. Is it because someone will get a big bonus if they can lower the sick bank usage? Maybe. Is it to make sure they have more pilots available over peak? Definitely.
#23
there are a couple of trains of thought on why this is happening, maybe it's a combination of things. Is it to distract us from our negotiations? Probably. Is it because someone will get a big bonus if they can lower the sick bank usage? Maybe. Is it to make sure they have more pilots available over peak? Definitely.
#28
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Please excuse my rant, but we are a 24 hour, 365 day a year airline. I pay thousands of dollars to my Union to represent me. I have on occasion had to call the Union Offices (M-F, 0800-1600) and speak with the contract folks to get an interpretation of whether or not something was legal. The problem is I have been less than impressed with our supposed experts. Most the time they don't know the contract any better than I do, or it's almost like you are speaking with someone on the company side of the table.
We need a 24 hour Pilot Contract Hotline
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line). I'm tired of the FLY FIRST, GRIEVE LATER policy. Especially with our record of winning any grievance.
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
We need a 24 hour Pilot Contract Hotline
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line). I'm tired of the FLY FIRST, GRIEVE LATER policy. Especially with our record of winning any grievance.
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
I take it from this that you are volunteering? Maybe offering to head up the group?
#29
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Why is it every time someone criticizes a Union function we get the standard answer "Get involved/Volunteer?" I pay thousands of dollars to be represented by a national union and these folks at Contract Admin are being paid to do a job. On numerous occasions I have had the same thought when calling these folks--"Did I just dial 901-224-xxxx?"
#30
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: 1559
We need a 24 hour Pilot Contract Hotline
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line).
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
My suggestion would be to have a rotation of 10 or so contract savvy, educated pilots who know the contract and FARs front to back. Then at any given time there would always somebody available to answer any scheduling issue that might pop up. That same contract expert would also have the Duty Officer on speed dial to go to bat if needed (preferably on a recorded line).
Not sure how we'd pay for it? Volunteers?
Just my two cents...
Why is it every time someone criticizes a Union function we get the standard answer "Get involved/Volunteer?" I pay thousands of dollars to be represented by a national union and these folks at Contract Admin are being paid to do a job. On numerous occasions I have had the same thought when calling these folks--"Did I just dial 901-224-xxxx?"
Why is it when anyone suggest getting involved the standard response is I pay for that so I shouldn't have to do anything else. If everyone took that tact, you wouldn't have to worry about calling the union. Maybe the meaning of the word union is tripping you up.
He even addressed the issues of manning and paying for it which I responded to. I take it from your response, that you either didn't read his post or you didn't comprehend what he proposed. In either case, it's probably best that you stay on the sidelines and just pay your dues.
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