Met a guy who interviewed yesterday. He got a call 2 hours later telling him he was hired. Welcome aboard….

Interviewed June. In the pool for July 20 class.

Looks like the next class is going to have new hires on the 777. Hmmmm passover pay.

A year+ down the road. After they get off first year pay and probation.

Did you get an official training notification for the July 20 class?

Nope.


Passover pay for current b757 f/o's who held 777 on the MOAB starting in Sep of '15 when the new hire 777 f/o is projected to activate.

Not yet. Any day now from what I heard

Guys- I'll answer this one from experience, as I sat in the pool for 4 years from '07 to '11. No one knows how many are in the pool. There is no way to check it, no Fedex pilot can find out a number, and even if they could (they can't!) it will change the next day as hiring is so abundant right now. Not trying to slam you, just an FYI.

Asking how many are in the pool is futile.

Good luck to all and welcome aboard to the lucky ones.

Cheers,

BK



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The new hires have to be on the new higher pay rate (off probation) to trigger your passover. Been there done that. on the panel with new hires in md/777 in 2011

Probation does not affect pay. When you hit 1 year you start 2nd year pay.

So you're saying you didn't receive passover pay when a new hire was hired directly into a seat you held on a preceding bid? That seems crazy.... So for those that held widebody seats on this last bid coming from the 757 FO seat, there will be no passover pay for a minimum of a year (after the new hires finish probation)? I can't think that was the intent of the language, but I'm sure that's how the company would like to interpret it!

What??

Passover pay isn't figured on a Junior Pilots pay rate.

It is figured on the Pay rate of the Seat/Equipment of the Aircraft the more Junior Pilot activated into.

That is absolutely incorrect. Plus, no new hires went into the 777 in 2011. They did later on, but not in 2011.

No, the company pays when they hire people into the widebodies.

From the contract:

Passover Pay Due To Junior Pilot’s Early Activation
In case of a junior pilot’s activation to a higher paying position out of seniority order, every senior pilot who meets the following prerequisites shall be paid as if he had activated in that higher paying position (passover pay):
the junior pilot and the senior pilot(s) hold an award for the same crew position; and
the junior pilot’s award is from the same posting as the senior pilot’s award or from a subsequent posting; and
the Company chooses to activate the junior pilot prior to the senior pilot(s) and the junior pilot’s activation delays the training and activation of the senior pilot(s).

So it has everything to do with activation of the junior dude. Once a new hire activates in the right seat of the 777 the company will start paying a ton of passover pay.

But really...at this point, the passover pay is peanuts to the company. They are spending billions on buying new companies...a few thousand on the workers is nothing.

Contract NOW!

Hmmm...

I was right with you, until you posted that excerpt from the CBA. It had been a while since I've read that part.

Now, I'm thinking... no passover pay.

From 05 Aug 15 until 06 Jan 16, the only M77F's going through training are "NEW HIRE PILOT #1/2."

I think the company's will argue (successfully, unfortunately) that putting the new hires in the 777 did not delay any of our FO's activation, since when the training letter came out they have the date they were assigned. Their training was not delayed.

Now the argument I would make if I was a FO with one of those 2016 training slots would be "I'd be going to training but for the fact you hired people off the street and put them in class before me, so I was in fact 'delayed'."

I see the argument either way... hopefully it'll go the in favor of our guys, but then again... we all know how that goes.

I think the new-hire into my seat issue has been argued and resolved many times, in our favor. It was why Mr PC had such a rage to "re-align" the seniority list - twice!

As for the delay - all it takes is ONE shuffle of the training letter, and then you are delayed. Just ONE new-hire in front of you, and passover starts. They have already "adjusted" the training letter, so I have heard.

In any case, our guys who are sitting A reserve in the right seat of the 757 and seeing guys get trained behind them in the 777 will at least see passover once that new-hire checks out. Well, as long as they were smart and bid the 777. If not, then enjoy DSM!

Ok so if it is correct that new hires being assigned can trigger Pass over Pay....When the new hires are activated in the 777 and someone is due pass over pay, how do they get their pay adjusted? Or is it automatically changed to the WB rate?

Should be automatic, trust but verify.

Quoting the contract is proof of nothing. Do the still have the little scales of injustice on the company version of the contract?

Quick question. Out curiosity, do you happen to know how often they pull apps to review? Is it periodically or is there a constant reviewing of apps? Thanks!

I thought somebody on here posted some good info about new hires not creating passover pay since there were unfilled seats in several W/B postings. Would be nice if our association would also clear this up...if they did, I missed it.

The simple version is,

Passover Pay is only triggered when a Junior Pilot activates in the Higher paying seat before a more senior Pilot. (Assuming no Passover Pay waiver for a training slot trade).

The Senior Pilot must have been awarded the same seat in the same Domicile on the same Posting as the more Junior Pilot.

If there were unfilled vacancies from a previous posting, the company can place New hires in these vacancies and there is NO passover pay generated since the more senior pilot could have bid one of these vacancies in an earlier posting, but chose not to.

Passover is generally pretty clear when things are moving upward. It isn't quite as clear when things move backward, as they did during 4 a 2 b and massive 2 excess bids and as well as very Junior Captains in an FDA.

Hiring...
 

Anyone know how FEDEX looks at V-22 Osprey time? I have 6200TT with time in helicopters, airplanes and powered lift. I see that FEDEX has gone from TPIC time in airplanes required to preferred, but the pilot requirements page only speaks to not accepting helicopter time with no reference to powered lift time. Also, any idea on their stance for having only completed the ATP written, but not having taken the checkride for the rating?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Pilot Credentials has a spot for a V-22 time. I have not heard how, if at all, they handle it.

On the initial screening questionnaire (at least when I opened my application account), it asked it you have an ATP. If you answer no, you can't open an application. I would not say yes until you actually have one.

I believe the passover issue is with people that were awarded a WB seat and the company trains a new hire in that seat before someone who was awarded it trains. That will generate passover for those folks.

Correct, but I believe many pilots think (incorrectly) that when the Company Hires Pilots directly into a WB seat that it "Automatically" Generates Passover pay for all NB FO's.

This belief is false based on my previous Post.

Certainly if you choose a NB seat, you are not entitled to WB passover pay.

Heard from a new hire I was jumpseating with (he has j/s privilege due to current employer and was jumping back from the interview on FDX) that our hiring folks are having a more difficult time than one might assume finding people to come interview. Generically, the statement was something like only 40% of the apps pulled were current and worthy of a second inquiry (contemplating calling them) and from there many of the ones called are declining.

I know that was a very general statement but even if part of it were true then I think it reveals the true effect of Delta, American, United, Alaska, etc...snatching up the available bodies faster than FDX can. FDX may have waited too long to spin up the hiring machine. Also heard by-name recommendations to HR are still welcomed and cuts down the search time.

A buddy of mine has had his app online, current and ready to go for 4 years. Extremely qualified, flying jets every month, available at the drop of a hat.

He emailed me a couple of weeks ago to say that he had been hired by Delta and thanks for the help, but he won't need it anymore.

I bet if the company presented us with a top-shelf, industry leading contract they may have an easier time finding top-self pilots willing to come work here. The longer they drag this out, the worse it's going to get for their hiring problem.

I can wait it out... can they?

Sorry, nothing personal but I am calling BS on this. There are tons of us, flying heavy jet/international, whom would go to Europe and/or Hong Kong, at least three internals and not getting called. I've been applying for five plus years and nothing. Either they are not looking at ALL the apps, the j/s is telling lies, or FDX has lost their minds. Oh, and, I have 757 time.

hey Braniff,

is it possible to query your reps ?? They may be able to enquire on your behalf, informally. have you actually seen any of their recs ??

Some companies have quirky disqualifiers......I'm sure that is not your case, but In the past DAL would not hire a divorced pilot. ie: one of our (FDX) chief pilots was turned down at his DAL interview when they found out he was divorced.

look for any negative trigger and address it,or fix it, if possible....just a thought.

best of luck,
BG

Thanks but nothing I can see. My guys keep asking me and I keep asking them.
Nuttin' Zero, Zilch, Zip, Nadda. My app is all green.

Well one of Hoffmans disqualifies was if it took you longer than 4 years to get thru college you were penalized, he claimed it showed lack of discipline. So for guys like me who worked your way thru points were taken away from your score. I think this was taken out in the last update. It will take years for FedEx to correct all the things that hiring Hoffman and Gorman started, if ever!

Another disqualifier is too much flight time. Mr. PhD believes that after a certain amount of flight time (I don't know the number) you aren't trainable. I guess that means during upgrade when I had 12k plus, I wasn't trainable.😏 Total crock of sh!t. I have 2 buddies from World that have flown MD-11's for 17 years all over the world and they have too much flight time to get an interview.

Hmmmmm.......I went to DAL with 20k flight time, an d managed to lower the bar on 3 new schools in 5 years, so I guess it's doable...even for us bottom feeders.:p

Bg

That's it then
 

Over 12,000 hours and took long time, 10+ years to get my degree due to life's events. Funny as a how company won't even give you a chance when they need people. I have a list of other accomplishments but it does not seem The Purple Monster cares. Well, you know what, everything happens for a reason and their loss!

Is there a class of 30 starting on Monday? Can someone confirm?

I don't know how many but there is a class Monday (20 July) and supposedly one the following Monday but I can't confirm that.


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thats also confirmed

Can't be true...We've been told over & over not to bother Flight Mgmt or HR with pesky questions about people we sponsored or recommended. We don't NEED or WANT your involvement--current employee opinions have no bearing--our fancy, dancy numerical scoring matrix knows all, and can pick the best pilots out of the mix. Just ask us. And yes, we ABSOLUTELY have the answer to make that HKG domicile purr on all 7 cylinders. :rolleyes:

My sponsor experience was identical to yours, pilot141. My "guy" waited 5 years with his FDX app in the system, now headed to a DAL class date. Our loss, their gain.