Lol, been waiting for 8 years. :cool:

1) Multiple Recs (Pilots and managers)
2) 10,000 TT & 5,000 TPIC
3) Bachelor's Degree 3.86
4) Master's Degree 4.0
5) Year long Internship (w/ FedEx EE#)
6) Have lived in Memphis for 20 years.

Heard from the 757/767 Fleet Captain that for Civilians, the sweet spot is 6,000 Total Time. More is fine, but won't necessarily help you and doesn't hurt you. If you have a lot more than that, they want to see something in addition to normal line flying. Line Check Airman, Sim Instructor, Union Work, being in Management, Community Service, etc.

That information is about a year old, FYI.

I would believe that to be true for just about any airline hiring right now.

With 10,000TT, you are probably over qualified, or "untrainable", according to the company. I've heard that too much time can disqualify guys.

So I'm supposed to be a Professional Airline Pilot that doesn't fly much?

Lol, I understand that you're just passing along what you've heard and I appreciate that. There's just something seriously flawed with that logic. Especially, considering Age 65 and and an economic downturn that had a lot of us stuck during the "Lost Decade".

Had to fly a good bit just to get by on RJ and Airbus rates.

It just shows how screwed up FedEx is if there is a "range" of hours they are looking at. The whole process got messed up when an outside non pilot was brought in to devise a selection process. Pilot input now is almost nil. A pilot rec was the best way to hire, IMO.

How long is the current wait from CJO to class?

A couple weeks. They're interviewing folks that are available now-next month to start the next class. Agree in on CIV-mil mix. My indoc class is about 50/50.

Just heard FedEx is upping the interview process. Looking to hire 70/mo. There's here today back for day two.


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Does anyone (Albie?) know when one can re-interview? I interviewed a few months ago, made it past day 1...only 2 of 6 got the nod on the second day.

That's awesome! Still silent in my emails. Hoping one day.

Is there some kind of secret wizard dance required to get invited to interview or is it just luck of the draw right now?

adding to previous post: VP says increasing hiring by 40 per month...was already at 30.

"As previously communicated, the numbers show that we’ll be replacing half our Crew force over the next ten years. Based on the extra Pilot hiring communicated in Posting 16-01, we’ll increase hiring by at least 40 per month beginning in June, with larger numbers expected as we continue to work on throughput issues in the training process. The amount of seat movement and opportunity in this bid is obvious, and I’d like to take a minute to remind you (and stress to our many new-hire Pilots) of an often- heard phrase in these bids- bid what you want to fly."

No one knows. I understand it's frustrating. But no one knows...

Yeah, not 100% sure if he meant at least 40 over current class sizes (~30, therefore equaling the ~70/month rumored), or if he meant upping it from ~30 to ~40 per month total. I just can't see how they can train 70/month. They've already said training is at capacity as it stands.

I'll have waited 7 weeks to go to aircraft training from basic indoc. It's backed up for sure.


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What aircraft?

757


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I see on the MOAB thread the 756 and 767 are seperate bid categories.

So do 757 guys only fly 757 trips and 767 guys only fly 767 trips? Or could a reserve or 757 line holder get put on a 767 trip or vice versa?

A couple of resume entries that will absolutely help are having experience as a Line Check Airman, or as a simulator instructor. I imagine that experience would help for any airline, but it is very heavily weighted at FDX. B767 time also seems to have helped guys with zero internal references. Beyond that, understanding the hiring matrix is anyone's guess (including some of the folks in charge of pilot recruitment). As BlackKnight said, no one really knows.

I'm a flight evaluator, instructed in the sim. I only have 966 hours as PIC in a jet with gross weight over 40K, but 2,800 PIC total. Is there a cut off for 40k+ PIC time?

Well, the rule used to be 1000 PIC turbine, unless you are "special".

I have no idea what it is now.

767 Crews are "dual qualified". Indy 767 crews fly the "classic" 767 and the 757. MEM 767 crews fly the LDS 767 and 757. In the May bidpack, they put a 757 leg in the middle of a week of 767 legs, trying to keep everyone "current" in the 757. If you are a 767 crew member, and you fly the 757, you still get paid the wide body rates.

However, if you fly the 757, you don't fly the 767.

There is currently some heartburn because some new hires are going to the right seat of the 767, which should create passover pay for every 757 right seat person, but the company does not see it that way. It is being grieved, but given our history , we will lose.

There are lots of rumors that the bid packs will be split. Rumors that it is being driven by the FAA. Rumors that it could happen soon. The SIG notes even mention it.

As far as I'm concerned, it can't happen soon enough. There are enough differences in the cockpits that it is a pain in the rear to switch back and forth.

I am not sure what the latest situation is with the 767 simulator. Last I heard it was certified, but only up to 325K, above that weight, it does not fly correctly. Of course, I have heard the visuals are so bad, you get nauseous by the end of the period. I guess that's what happens when you hire a company that has only built tank simulators, but hey, what could go wrong?

Thanks for the additional info CS, good stuff.

I was hesitant to add (as from many posts on here it seems random) but I'll include what I remember from the hiring meeting our chief pilot and the Dr. they hired to revamp the program briefed us. (This info was posted long ago. Here's a refresher).

1. High GPA from a good college.
2. "Sweet spot" of 3000-6000 hours.
3. Either military or civilian- higher accomplishments in the form of LCA, Safety, Chief Pilot, etc. or (at the least) Military IP, but more notably Squadron Commander or higher.

DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER. I have no dog in this fight. Just trying to help.

This is incorrect. Not every 75 FO has bid and held 76 FO, nor had their training delayed, so not every 75 FO is due passover pay. I understand your heartburn with the way the training is jacked up, but spreading incorrect statements doesn't help the cause. That is also why the company doesn't see it the way some people think they should, some people don't understand what triggers passover pay.

Bids are held once a year, which is insane. Perhaps if bids were held every month, I could see your point. So, here is an example. A guy arrives here just after this bid has closed. He didn't get a chance to bid the 767. Now someone junior to him is given a 767 slot. Should he get pass over pay? Not according to you, because he didn't bid the 767. Well, he didn't have a chance to bid it. So someone junior to him gets the 767 slot that he wants and you are ok with that? I thought ALPA was supposed to protect seniority at all costs, but I guess I was wrong.

Passover pay is supposed to protect the senior crewmember from a junior crewmember being given his rightful seat ahead of him.

If our contract is so screwed up that passover does not apply when you didn't get a chance to bid, and someone junior to you is given the seat you would have bid for, than it is time to fire ALPA and their "better than FPA lawyers" because they have not done us any good at all.

I say again, giving 767 slots to new hires is wrong and should trigger passover pay for every 757 FO on the property. My opinion, not trying to "spread any incorrect statements".

We can agree or disagree, and maybe every 75 FO should get wide body pay in your opinion. But it's not in the contract that way. But a lot of guys think that it works that way so they stay in the 75, don't bid out, and then wonder what happened when they don't get it. Because a lot of guys think it should be that way, buts that's not how the contract reads. If you want wide body pay, BID a wide body. Then, and only then, if you hold it AND if somebody junior to you activates earlier AND delays your training you will get passover pay. There are plenty of senior 75 FOs who don't bid a higher paying seat and thus wont get passover pay.

[QUOTE=Nightflyer;2109740]Bids are held once a year, which is insane. Perhaps if bids were held every month, I could see your point. So, here is an example. A guy arrives here just after this bid has closed. He didn't get a chance to bid the 767. Now someone junior to him is given a 767 slot.

So who is the guy who just arrived? Is he a new hire? If so, there isn't anyone junior to him to bid.

And now some guys are beaked because the days of POP for years are over. There were guys riding the WB capt pay for years knowing that the chance for upgrade was way in the future. How screwed up is it to pay a FO WB capt pay for years? So now the company has got a new system thanks to a contract that was voted in by the majority. The whole POP is screwed up at FX when you have only one bid once a year or less. POP made sense when a guy was going to train in a much shorter time and guys could bid.

Just a quick question, for anyone that knows. I got my BA in 2009 then MS in 2012. The employment page asks list all jobs post college. Would FedEx would want the post jobs after my BA or MS? Thanks for the help.

It's called New Hire Junior Activation Compensation Pay

IMO, list all jobs. More importantly, do NOT have a timeline gap in employment/studies. Make sure your last 10 years have continuous employment/studies.

Thanks Sluggo. I think that covers the scenario that I was concerned about.

Thank you so much for your help. Really appreciate it.

Hey all,

When do the interview offer emails go out?
Beginning, Mid, End of Week?
Every week or bi monthly?


Thanks a ton

For some reason a lot of people don't do this. I didn't even realize that until Delta made an issue out of it several years ago.

To me, this seems like a GREAT way to show your work ethic as you track your history through life. For instance, I listed store clerk at our family business, cook at Hardees, and Self-employed tobacco farmer on my apps back in the early 2000s. I included working at a CFI and photographer at a firm when I was in college. I wanted to show the employer I had been working in some fashion since I was 14. Many folks miss a great chance to drive that point home just going back 10 years. You also miss a chance to make a connection with your interviewer. "Oh..you were at CFI at Kxxx? Did you ever know xxxxxx?"

You cannot always have a contact for that job 20 years ago, and the store may have even been demolished (as was the Hardee's where I worked). Put it down anyway with "business closed" or similar. But don't miss a chance to point out how long you have been working.

The value of this became readily apparent to me a few years ago when I offered to help a friend's son pro-bono apply for a position in our local Congressman's office. He had graduated from UF with two degrees and a solid GPA. He was in his early 20s... A quick synopsis of preparing him to introduce himself went like this...

Me: "Any work history?" Him: "Uh, no. Mom always said my studies should be my main focus..." (Being 25 years old and ever having a job is inexcusable, IMHO. Even the disabled kids end up working in some capacity after high school... Its part of growing up)

Me: "Sports or leadership roles?" Him: "Uh...no. I never got into sports and wasn't interested in many clubs."

Me: "Okay..what did you do when you weren't studying?" Him: "I like video games. I also played a little bit of ultimate frisbee with friends, but was never on a league or anything...."

Me: "Fraternity? Campus organizations? Church?" Him: "No--I'm pretty much an introvert..."

Me: (sigh)

When you are hiring someone--whether its to fly 777s around the globe or deal with constituent issues in your local congressional office, you want someone who has demonstrated both good work ethic and solid customer skills at some point. Even as airline pilots--we have internal customers--fellow crew, dispatchers, schedulers, ramp agents, etc..and in the pax business certainly the paying passengers. Its nice if the employer sees they aren't just getting an good airplane driver, but someone with a little depth as well. I am also convinced that people that have done some of the grittier jobs in life (and most in aviation paid some dues somewhere...) tend to have an appreciation for what they have and an overall healthier attitude and outlook.

In this case, the training I gave the guy was N/A. He was 20 minutes late to the interview because "he sort of freaked" and forgot how to get there. (yes...really). He later got his **** a little more together and worked in a judges office a few months. He is now in law school, and his lack of work experience and social skills probably won't hold him back in such an academic environment. If we ever do have a zombie apocalypse or natural disaster,however, he will last only about four hours after the power goes out.

So--use the look back to show who you are and how you got there. Its a great chance to show your character and work ethic to your potential employer.

I've noticed they've gone out on Th/Friday.

I received one last Tuesday.

Same here. Last Tuesday.

Hey John, I sent you a PM......

Are you guys both listing "available immediately" on your app?