FDX passover pay question
 

I'm on the 757 right seat with medium seniority, and am going to the 767 with medium seniority.

Q: How does changing your training date effect passover pay?

Someone offered to trade training dates. I'm scheduled in May of '16, and the other person is in the second half of '17.

-If I trade training dates, what happens if someone junior to me activates in the seat? Or what if they hire off the street into the 767?

Do I still get passover pay?

Thanx! Beers all around....

Talk to the union and get the current official answer until the company decides to do it differently and the union agrees with them.

If you want to trade you will need to get everyone that is between you and the junior person you are trading with to agree to waive Passover pay. You would think it would be easy but we have some guys that think they are getting screwed so they will not waive it. Go onto VIPs and under general there is a section for trading training dates. Tells you what you need to do.

Once you hold a seat award and someone junior to you activates who you didn't agree to let jump ahead (ie trade) you should be eligible for Passover pay. But if you trade your date you do give up some Passover rights. You need to talk to CE before you trade.

I am a MEM 757 FO with a 2017 MEM 767 "differences training" date. The training letter indicates the company is putting new hires directly into the MEM 767 starting in Jan of next year. I assumed everyone in my position would start receiving passover pay once the first new hire activated but I have heard a rumor that the company does not see it that way. Since the new hires will be enrolled in "initial" training and I will be in "differences" training, passover pay is not given because they are different training courses. I haven't talked to the union yet...just wondering if anyone had any insight.

Thanks

It's not a rumor. That is the company position and our Association has started the grievance process. Some guys are already being "harmed" from the last bid in 2014. I am opposite of your situation and the company will train 757C junior to me for differences training 767C and make me wait on initial for the 767C. They want it both ways and don't want to pay passover either way.
Eric in contract enforcement helped write the grievance and envisions us cleaning up outstanding grievances including this one soon.

Simply doesn't matter what training is involved

It's a junior guy in the specific domicile/aircraft/seat you bid and were awarded

Please post what you learn from the union

I anticipate a huge bid to "realign" everything. Then you will get to bid for training. That should eliminate all of the passover questions. But then again that isn't a popular opinion, or at least 57% feel otherwise.

The new bidding doesn't take affect until 2017. We should have several traditional bids before we start the new bidding.

It will not matter. We have already decided in past precedence not to grieve this issue. You must have a junior pilot activate prior to you off the same bid or later bid and the same course.

All the nugget guys came back to MEM prior to other guys who had MD11 MEM bids from off the same bid. The union said that in order to get passover, the training had to be the same. So, past precedent.