"TA or not a TA, that is not the question"?
 

On Wednesday the MEC is set to evaluate a comprehensive CBA package, which is the direct result of a conclusion to bargaining. Yes, I said did say conclusion, but It really does not matter what you call the deal, bargaining is over. The leaks on the major are very, very promising. I have just talked to a person who is on the MEC email chains that has just received copies of the package highlights which includes the ALPA National costing numbers and it is a total package deal worth more than 1.5B in improvements. Bottom line, it is easily an industry leading CBA, when all items are weighed. Additionally the NC has reached a deal to NOT split out new hires from the pension and there are improvements to our B plan. That was the topic of the most recent letter sent out and signed by the whole MEC, Bravo!

So what's the bad news? The bad news is the reason I am posting this because there are nasty (verified) rumors that a majority portion of our MEC are seriously considering to not allow the NC to sign this package deal, and as such, the membership will not be afforded the chance to see it, let alone vote on this, why you ask? The lone issue is the A plan, yes it was saved but there were apparently no "golden parachutes, VEBA gift cards, bags of money, etc." for those walking out the door soon. Translation; there are a group of people on the MEC who now think that the younger age groups should be willing to give A plan improvements, to only a select group of "senior" pilots and at the cost of universally applied benefits. That sounds like reverse age discrimination to me ? We should only have plans/benefits that apply to all pilots, especially not one designed to pay more money to the same group that has already enjoyed 5 more years of living at the top of the food chain! Our NC preserved our pension, for all, and improved our B fund. What else could we really expect and hope for more than that? Improving an industry leading penion was never a valid option, but adding more money to the B fund is a great way to adjust for inflation and have more money in an individuals control. We continue to have the BEST of both worlds.

If this concerns you, please contact your rep, ask questions and demand that the MEC allow the NC to take this deal then to send it out to us for a vote. If it is not a TA, then make it one; CONTRACT NOW is here, let's not grasp defeat from jaws of victory. It is time for the line pilots to evaluate this deal and let us all move on with our lives.

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I think he eats popcorn at the AOC but only from 9-5 M-f

Does anyone else smell cubicle in here?:eek:

Ok, I'm gonna feed the troll
 

The Devil is ALWAYS in the details. Especially here!!!!:rolleyes:

I wouldn't say I've been missing it Bob...
 

I love the smell of cubicle in the morning, it smells like victory!

Great Plains, that's very bold. Your asking us to call our reps and and ask them to endorse a ta that we haven't seen or heard of. You really need to identify yourself if there is the slightest chance you are to be believed.

Nearly spit out my coffee... Haha

"It is time for the line pilots to evaluate this deal and let us all move on with our lives". Who uses terms like "the line pilots"? Don't respond to this thread and troll.

Incorrect.

Not only is it an option, it is a requirement.



The same guy who refers to a Block Rep as SB1 Ray. His only other posts on APC were to defend the dishonorable actions of a disgruntled former committee chairman who was trying to have the ALPA First Vice President and a number of our MEC members expelled from ALPA. That sounds like the guy who until recently occupied not a cubicle on Democrat or Hacks Cross, but a west-facing office on Kirby Pkwy. :(






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Not trying to feed the Management Troll.....but.......generically speaking:


If any deal is insufficient in the opinion of our MEC then they should not put it forward for a vote. 68% will vote yes on anything put out and the company knows that. I need the MEC and NC to be the hold the line on any NO-GO issues.

The company is over a barrel here - get what we need in this contract now before any "line pilots" need to review it.

Are you kidding me. Not losing something is not a positive. It's a negative if it was not improved. Our bottom line calculation retirement number has not moved off of 260k in the 15 years I've been here. Just based on standard inflation from a CPI calculator that number should have risen to 360K just to keep pace with inflation since I've been here. And we are talking another 5-7 years in the future. So the retirement calculation number needs to be projected another 5 years at least.

7 years ago, I bought a new GMC Yukon for 35k. Today that car costs 66K. In 7 years it will cost 100K. If the retirement calculator number does not improve. My after tax retirement income will buy a car. That's it.


I think many in management have forgotten why a company exists. You don't start a company to make stockholders rich. You start a company because you have a great idea and want to be successful or do something you love while still improving your station in life and/or your kids future. Once the company becomes successful and is succeeding, then you want to start passing along that success to your employees. They are your friends and neighbors. The people you go to church with, their kids play soccer with your kids. You want them to share in your riches. You want to make life better for those that have helped you grow. The extra money you are now making you want your friends to be able to get a new car, or take a vacation they've always wanted.

Instead, FDX has become a "pay the lowest possible hourly wage that will still allow us to do what made us a successful" company. Really who cares how much the "company" makes. Only people who own stock in the company and even then they only care if the price of the stock goes down. If any of us "owned" this company (not a publicly traded company), once we had enough money, wouldn't you start making life better for your employees? Wouldn't you want to help them out or even feel a moral obligation to improve their lives? Having to "fight" for better wages and future financial status for me and my children is just pathetic and a bit petty and sad. If you step back and think about the whole process without actual dollar amounts, it seems like the leaders of OUR company are just letting us down as people. It's not how any of us would treat those that worked had for us if we ran a company. You would not treat the boy who cuts your grass the way the company treats our future.

If you're a public company mgt's only goal is to increase the stock price.

Run along company minion...run along.

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Absolutely need the MEC to hold the line. It needs to be a great TA to them to send it to the members for a vote.

While we would all love for this to be the case……..it isn't. Unfortunately Ray is right.

If great plains can't identify himself after making such an insider statement, we should throw this thread away along with his credibility. I'll start anther thread we can debate the possibility of a ta.

I think you've been watching too many Bernie Sanders sound clips... This is a large public corporation that answers to stockholders and BOD not some employee owned co-op or non-profit

Maybe we should vote for it, so we can see what's in it? :rolleyes:

So you're saying that no one will "give" us what we deserve? If we want to have a better life, we have to demand and insist on improvements? You're saying that if we accept something that is less than what we deserve, we have only ourselves to blame? No one is going to be nice and morally right from the management side. It's not personal, just business?

Sounds like we sure should not roll over and take what they want us to have. If we have not fought in the trenches we probably did not improve our lot in life very much despite what the "numbers" sound like.

Along with assuring the long term health of the stock.

Of course he does.

*$*@ Alpa's assessment on industry leading. We are not in their industry. They are pax guys earning pax profits from the cyclical pax business. Our business model earns more money. We are an industrial company and are treated as such. That's why the cargo cutout exists and why ALPA really doesn't care to fix it. That's why pax carriers are losing their minds over Emirates and Etihad and our CEO says those carriers are no problem. It's great to utilize ALPA resources, we've more than paid for them, but we need to exercise proper judgment when doing so.

Back to the matter at hand.

We need the MEC to filter. When you see the all blue calendars it's obvious we have a lot of pilots with poor judgement. The MEC vote is one of the only legal things we can do under the RLA to protect ourselves from corporate greed. If you're not glad they might keep a bad TA from a vote you are a management tool.

Whatever the quality of this TA, Do you really think we'll get compensated for the 2 yrs without a new CBA? Not a chance.

This thing better be REALLY good for how much they've saved over 2 yrs.

I hear you Tony. But a management guy could also figure out which block reps were standing in the way of killing our A plan and hope (work?) for there demise.

Crooked senior ALPA guy (officer?) might just be synonymous with management negotiator....They do the same harm.

Call our reps and demand what????
 

Damn management must really be desperate. Nah I will just take my 24 hour layover in China after operating from Europe and see how much more fatigued I can get.

Wow. Methinks that things are about to get very interesting, very soon.

If they don't bump up the $260 high five, we should vote it down.

Note: I will not retire under this contract, unless it is a very, very long one, so don't lump me in the with old guys.

I want a higher A plan for everyone from here on out.

Just like I want the 25K for everyone from here on out.

Funiest post ever!!!!

Greatplains,

You asked what I should expect. I expect the high five average amount to keep up with the cost of inflation. How long has it been capped at 260K? It is long past time for the high five amount to be bumped. Some say up to 320k, others say higher.

I will not retire under this contract, but if it is not bumped up now, than when? How long should we have to wait? I get that the company does not want to bump it up, but they have saved a ton of money from our sweat over the last two years. Money that we will never recoup. Also, with age 65, they don't have to pay out our pension over as many years.

The B plan bump is only good if you have a lot of years left.

I would be in favor of a B plan bump and an A plan high five bump, but not only one or the other.

An A plan bump benefits all while just a B plan bump benefits mostly those further from retirement.

An A plan only bump might benefit all, but quite possible it won't benefit those furthest from retirement.
A B plan only bump will have a greater impact on those furthest from retirement, but will benefit both groups equally while employed. And what could be better than that.

Plan I expect to see is a combination of both versus one or the other. Would like to see some more eggs in both baskets

FrontSeat

I think there may be an issue with your computer OS as your response is always the same - "What company?" Unless this is a personal attempt to be funny/something else........


If it's the OS - good luck/hate it for you, if it's the latter - well that's just pathetic.

Yo Greatpains(spouting out drivel),

It ain't working. Pony up. No increase in A plan? No means... "no"!

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We will get nothing better until we act like we deserve it.

Whats goes on here is nothing different (generally speaking) than what goes on in our society. Be it politicians, CEOs, etc. It has been getting incrementally worse for decades. Until the people affected grow some nads and do something about it, the screw job just gets deeper. JMO though.

What company?

No...he's just a d-bag trying and failing miserably to be funny.