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The Walrus 08-22-2015 09:40 AM

That is pretty much what I meant by walk away, just too lazy to type that much.

Full pull 08-22-2015 09:58 AM

We need to make it cleared to management and membership that if any hostages are taken, no matter how stupid, no agreement until all hostages are returnd.

Rock 08-22-2015 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Full pull (Post 1954652)
We need to make it cleared to management and membership that if any hostages are taken, no matter how stupid, no agreement until all hostages are returnd.

Isn't that exactly what the company would want? :confused:

MacGuy2 08-22-2015 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 1954663)
Isn't that exactly what the company would want? :confused:

Was going to say exactly that! They could drag this process out indefinitely and we wouldn't be "released" by the NMB and we" have very limited options as to what we could LEGALLY do about it.

MG2

FDXLAG 08-22-2015 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 1954626)
The vote was in open session, and recorded, so it's far from secret. I'm told the Anchorage Rep was a bit confused about what exactly was being voted on and would have voted No had he understood. That would have made it 8 to 6. Understand, the vote was not to approve a TA, or send it to the membership for ratification. The vote was to have the Negotiating Committee convert the concepts they had achieved into actual CBA language that could be reviewed and then approved or disapproved as a TA.

Despite the fact that the MEC Chairman has informed the media we have a TA, that decision is up to the MEC, and it will be made next Wednesday. Then it will be up to them to decide how to use their vote. Will they approve of the deal only if they feel it's worthy of their full support and membership ratification? Will they "approve" of the process to send it to the membership to decide? The process has already been approved of -- the questions should be about the TA. (Many have done this in the past in an attempt to wipe their hands of the responsibility of tough decisions. "I don't know, even though I have access to more information than the line pilot, so I'll just toss it to them to decide.") Or will they "approve" the TA out of fear of threatened alternatives, which could include a "Pause" from the NMB Mediator? We cannot control what the Mediator decides -- we can only control what WE do, and we shouldn't rush into inferior deals out of fear of possibilities. We've come too far and waited too long to mess this thing up in the last 0.3 miles of the 26.3 mile marathon.

I'm of the opinion that the MEC should not pass to the membership for ratification any deal they cannot wholeheartedly support and defend. Don't become a tool of The Company to test the waters and "see if it will pass" by a slight margin. We deserve better, and we don't need to waste our time and resources playing that game.






Yepp. And LCAs, and SCAs, etc.






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Thanks quoting the oversized picture. It will screw up my scrolling for another 40 posts.;)

TonyC 08-22-2015 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1954677)

Thanks quoting the oversized picture. It will screw up my scrolling for another 40 posts.;)


:D I actually thought about that, but didn't see a way around it.

Here's another contribution towards 80 ... ;)




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The Walrus 08-22-2015 11:24 AM

You can change the number of posts per page and get rid of it quicker.

TonyC 08-22-2015 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 1954689)

You can change the number of posts per page and get rid of it quicker.


Hmm, that's true. I prefer to leave that value at the maximum (40), but I suppose this would be a time to use the minimum (5).

Wish there was a choice to leave it at 5 until 10 would do, then automatically increment up until 40 works again.


Or we could just create filler posts to make it moot -- until somebody else quotes the picture again ...

I need the rain to stop and the grass to dry so I can mow the lawn and stay out of trouble here. :eek:






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Busboy 08-22-2015 12:31 PM

9 - 5?

Pretty close to our ratification numbers, lately.

64% - 36%

A "timeout" from the NMB? Boy, I sure am glad that interim agreement negotiating protocol BS provided us with such a great relationship with the NMB.:rolleyes:

Tony...Please tell me you were joking about the ANC rep not knowing what he was voting on. Good grief!! That's troubling.

TonyC 08-22-2015 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1954729)

Tony...Please tell me you were joking about the ANC rep not knowing what he was voting on. Good grief!! That's troubling.


I'm sure there was some oversimplification, and maybe more lost in the translation, but I'm told he doesn't like what we've achieved so far, and that he's not likely to vote to approve this TA. You'd be amazed (or maybe you wouldn't) at how confusing it can get at that table. Heck, even the Chairman seems confused as to whether or not we have a TA. :o






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