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USMCFDX 09-01-2015 06:18 AM

Care to guess the savings the company will reap by going to 11 bid periods in a year?

Many pilot overrides tied to the bid period, instructor and LCA. One less time the SIG needs to meet also. How many trips does the company eat for the week of the build?

Raptor 09-01-2015 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1961532)
But if we use you logic and a 6 week period is used vice 2 5 week periods we work less.

But, that would require the company to make it work that way. It's their option.

I'm trying to think of the last time the company or CRS made an interpretation or used a mechanic in the contract that benefitted me?

It seems like the company got a LOT of little things here and there fixed in their favor. It just feels like to me that they got more things fixed than we did. A lot of little things adds up as a win for them and a concession from us. This contract shouldn't have been about concessions from us and COLA raises.

I would have preferred more 3% contract extensions over this TA.

FDXLAG 09-01-2015 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Raptor (Post 1961570)
But, that would require the company to make it work that way. It's their option.

I'm trying to think of the last time the company or CRS made an interpretation or used a mechanic in the contract that benefitted me?

It seems like the company got a LOT of little things here and there fixed in their favor. It just feels like to me that they got more things fixed than we did. A lot of little things adds up as a win for them and a concession from us. This contract shouldn't have been about concessions from us and COLA raises.

I would have preferred more 3% contract extensions over this TA.

We are all getting worked up and we don't have answers. If the company can have less than 12 bids yes 6 weeks is a bad deal. If they are still required to have 12 bids, 6 weeks has many positives.

Fedex999999 09-01-2015 07:31 AM

We can't get them to pay us what we earn- think of how many times you had to do a pay log to get what was yours! How in the world are they going to calculate pay twice a month with this?

No trust.

MaxKts 09-01-2015 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1961587)
We are all getting worked up and we don't have answers. If the company can have less than 12 bids yes 6 weeks is a bad deal. If they are still required to have 12 bids, 6 weeks has many positives.

There is nothing in writing saying they have to have 12 bid periods - so tell me - do you honestly believe they won't use this to their advantage?

Nightflyer 09-01-2015 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1961587)
We are all getting worked up and we don't have answers. If the company can have less than 12 bids yes 6 weeks is a bad deal. If they are still required to have 12 bids, 6 weeks has many positives.

So, FDXLAG, can you find for us in the contract where it says the company MUST have 12 bids per year?

If it does not say that, in lawyer proof language, they won't do it!!!

When the first contract passed, back in 98, I asked a manager the day before if the company was going to do away with the negative airman list, as was rumored by the "no" guys.

He said, the contract is silent on that, so he didn't see why the company wouldn't keep it.

The next day, the contract passed, and the negative airman list was gone!

So, the moral of the story is, if it is not in lawyer proof black and white language, the company will do what they please, to their benefit, not ours.

FDXLAG 09-01-2015 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Nightflyer (Post 1961596)
So, FDXLAG, can you find for us in the contract where it says the company MUST have 12 bids per year?

If it does not say that, in lawyer proof language, they won't do it!!!

When the first contract passed, back in 98, I asked a manager the day before if the company was going to do away with the negative airman list, as was rumored by the "no" guys.

He said, the contract is silent on that, so he didn't see why the company wouldn't keep it.

The next day, the contract passed, and the negative airman list was gone!

So, the moral of the story is, if it is not in lawyer proof black and white language, the company will do what they please, to their benefit, not ours.

I don't know that is why I asked the question and am waiting for the answer. I do know they have to pay me half my BLG every 15th of the month. If we take my 80 hours a month average over 12 bid periods and they drop it to 10 bid periods that means instead of every 15th me getting 40 hours now every 15th I would get 50 hours.:D

Not sure what else I can say, if there is no 12 bid month guarantee this is enough for me to vote no, if there is I personally like 6 week bid months. In the past when going from a 5 week to a 4 week or vice versa I have had to work 3 weeks straight. This would help fix that.

Overnitefr8 09-01-2015 07:42 AM

According to ALPA Q&A webpage, it sounds like we may have asked for the 6 week.
A. 6 week bid periods are used to build less fatiguing schedules. They give the PSIT the ability to build week on- week off flying versus the back to back weeks of night hub turns in a 5 week bid period.

MaxKts 09-01-2015 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 1961609)
According to ALPA Q&A webpage, it sounds like we may have asked for the 6 week.
A. 6 week bid periods are used to build less fatiguing schedules. They give the PSIT the ability to build week on- week off flying versus the back to back weeks of night hub turns in a 5 week bid period.

And then the company will say "build the lines to XXX blg" and we will be doing back to back weeks again! Sounds like a great plan to me - NOT!

Rock 09-01-2015 07:48 AM

Because I saw it mentioned earlier as a bad side effect of 6 week bid periods...the new allowable expense for parking is $375 per quarter. That's a net increase of $300 per year but the "by quarter" system is an approvement over the "by bid period" system.


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