8 in 24 goes away under 117

Only reason we have 8 in 24 is because it's currently in our CBA. We don't have to be under 117 to lose it.

When we operated exclusively under Supplemental rules, we incorporated some of those rules by repeating them in our CBA. The thought was that if the FARs were to change, we would preserve those protections through CBA language.

Our CBA 8-in-24 rule is a perfect example. While most of our flying is now done under Domestic or Flag rules, we still have the protection of the Supplemental rule by way of our CBA.

The 2015 TA gives that away in hopes we'll see 36 hour layover on some trips.

What we'll definitely see is shortened layovers on day flights.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. After all, we don't want The Company to fail because they have to honor our 8-in-24 rule, do we? :rolleyes:






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Having imagined living under the rest provisions of FAR 117, and then losing them, now consider the impact of never having them, and never getting them.

If you'd had them and lost them, you'd expect to be compensated after losing them.

Has anyone seen the estimate of how much more it would cost us to operate under the rest provisions of FAR 117?

In the absence of that information, how much more did it cost to operate the passenger carriers under FAR 117? I've heard figures that were higher than I'd have imagined.

So is it fair to compare our pay rates with those who operate under FAR 117?

I suspect it would be hard to find a pilot who thinks he should be paid the same as someone who operates under FAR 117. Because the difference is coming out of his hide. Ask the question of ten pilots and see if there is an exception.

I wonder if actuarial data will begin to show a difference in lifespan, between those who operate under FAR 117 and those who don't.

By the way, does anyone know how long we live after we retire? Surely it had to be incorporated into the costing model. That data should be available at least two ways.

TonyA's absolutely correct--we codified the 8 in 24 rest rules in 12.C.6.b

here they are for easy access

b. A pilot who exceeds 8 ABH in any consecutive 24 hour
period shall be scheduled for a rest period of 17 hours prior
to performing his next duty as an operating crew member.
That rest period may be operationally reduced as necessary,
consistent with FAR limitations.

I do not think FAR 117 would be an improvement to FedEx Skeds, unless 70 % of the Pilots (Commuters) want more multiple departure lines. Week ON/OFF line would be significantly reduced and you will be forced to get your rest in Domicile on your own time.