Executive Management and Cookies
 

So what up with all this Propaganda and PR stuff...if they were the type of people that would do this to say thanks this would be normal stuff but out of the blue and writing about it seems fake as sh!t to me.

And to top it off they might do it again next Christmas Eve! Hold my paycheck and clear the calendar for 2017.

There's the spirit.

You're a foul one. Mr. grinch.:cool:

Everyone on the ramp that works a holiday gets time and a half.

We don't.

I have told the union, repeatedly, that we should have holiday pay, draft pay, or whatever you want to call it for any trip that touches any day that we are required to produced a doctor's note for calling in sick.

"My" negotiating committee didn't listen.

"My" negotiating committee didn't think it was a high priority to throw the junior guys a bone.

"My" union needs to pay more attention, and listen to the junior guys once in a while.

Show me the money, and I'll buy my own cookies.

The guy that makes $300 grand a year is jealous of the guy that barely breaks minimum wage X 1.5. My god! What a country!

The guy who makes $300K a year shouldn't have to provide a doctor's note when he calls in sick.

Personally I would prefer management ignore the pilots during peak and offer cookies, $100 bills, or whatever it took to get the rampers to show up every night. We are not the reason the launch was 2 hours late every day in Indy. Keep your day old shrimp, just get the jet loaded.

I had a Christmas Eve departure. Although the sort was projected to be late, we went to the jet pretty close to on time. When we arrived, it was already loaded. As I walked into the cabin, the ramp agent and a supervisor were waiting, and they explained how they were thanking the pilots with bags of cookies. The red paper sacks had a festive note attached, and the rampers were excited about giving us the cookies, and they wanted to take pictures of them giving us cookies. I wouldn't have thought for a second to insult them by refusing their offer -- they're hard-working employees at the bottom of their food chain just like we are. And guess what, they were working on Christmas Eve, too. They had worked hard to get us out on time, to boot.

I only asked that they take the picture with the much better looking First Officer when he finished his walk-around. They were almost giddy with anticipation, and it was a kick for the FO. (That's him in the picture on the right. He's a 5 million guy.)

Overall, I took it as a nice gesture in the Christmas spirit. Perhaps someone at a senior management level had other intentions (it would have been Ground Operations management, not Flight Management, anyway), but from a couple of grunts in the trenches to another couple of grunts in the trenches, I appreciated the gesture.






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Hear, hear

I'm taking this "propaganda and PR stuff" as a sign of change from the new VP, TL. He came from SWA which has this kind of stuff sewn into their corporate psyche.

A nice gesture is a nice gesture but to get your picture taken with a baby and have someone write about is another thing. Seems very political and fake, thats all. Im sure the ramp guy was really excited to get his picture taken with a real life pilot. I just been kicked in the nuts to many times over the last decade...

Executive management showed up to tell us how much we are appreciated and part of the team? They needed an image coach to tell them this? Kind of like when our last Chief Pilot was told the pilot group thought he lacked integrity and he assigned 2 underlings to work on ideas to change that.

Sorry I feel like an 18 year old kid with an absentee Father that has told me my entire life Im a pain in his ass, a drain on his wallet, Im a screw up and need to stop making mistakes, and to Listen and Follow instructions without asking 'why' all the time. He also took away my tuna sandwiches for lunch and I only get enough gas money to get to school and back...and he shows up out of the blue to tell me Im not that bad and what a great holiday this was and we should do this again next year!

Don't worry the therapist says Im making progress and my guidance counselor said I had a bright future as an airline pilot.

What does my statement have to do with Holiday Spirit? Maybe Im Muslim...Be inclusive you deplorable ;)

I have been given Coal for so long, sorry I lack apparition for them showing up on a Saturday reduced Day sort and a cookie. This makes up for canceling Thursday night pizza and cookies with Flt Mgt...:mad:

The VP has influenced the CEO to come say Hi? Because thats what they would do at SWA...Ok if you say so. :confused:

As we all know, there are far worse management teams in this industry. Enjoy the top of the hill on the rollercoaster ride called aviation.

Sometimes a cookie is just a cookie. Eat it or don't. Either way, why not just smile and say "thank you"?

Im sure every pilot that flew Christmas Eve did smile and say thank you...nice pivot on changing the topic though.

My questions/comments were about the Corporate Communication and the PR on PFC. I guess Im in left field...back to our industry leading contract and industry leading management team. Did Kool-aid come with the cookies?

Fixed it for you - sorry couldn't resist.

Only the last decade? I guess you don't recall then the times that these same employees were offered time off and bus rides to carry signs on Memphis sidewalks to oppose pilots. They were fed propaganda that pilots were selfish and greedy and trying to destroy Federal Express by trying to form a union and negotiate a contract. Pilots were regarded as the enemy of Federal Express, the bad guys.

And now those employees are being told pilots are good people, and worthy of a gesture of kindness.

Where is the fault in that?



Who exactly do you think "Executive Management" is? The employees involved belong to Domestic Ground Operations, an entirely different part of our company. Our organizational diagrams don't meet until they get pretty far up. They have nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with our Flight Management.



Well you're acting like an 18 year old kid, too. An ignorant 18-year-old who's missing the point that the guy who's being nice now isn't the same guy who was beating you over the head before. Open your eyes and try to see the difference.



I smiled. I said, "Thank you." I hope the impression I made on the DGO employees was a positive one, and that they'll be more sympathetic to pilots the next time The Company's propaganda machine starts cranking up the anti-pilot garbage they've generated in the past.

And I can honestly say I've never been accused of drinking The Company's Kool-Aid before. I'm not quite sure how to process that. :rolleyes:






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Whoa whoa whoa...stop the train. I get it y'all think I'm butt hurt over the cookies and the 3 non-executive employees getting their picture taken giving cookies and sharing the collective appreciation with the pilots.

If you have not read the 2 corporate communications on PFC my lack of enthusiasm was directed at EXECUTIVE Managment team visiting AOC on the Saturday day sort...but hey maybe you were all as excited to see them as much as the article says you were.

Happy New Year...

Oh, my mistake. I thought you were talking about cookies. I can't imagine where I got that idea.

Oh, wait.

There's the title of the thread, which you attached to the first post: "Executive Management and Cookies"

Then there was, "Im sure the ramp guy was really excited to get his picture taken with a real life pilot." That was you posting, right, not someone who stole your password?

Then, "... sorry I lack apparition [sic] for them showing up on a Saturday reduced Day sort and a cookie." Again, you, right?

How about this one: " Did Kool-aid come with the cookies?" That was you, wasn't it?

Nice attempt to backtrack.

Happy New Year.




By the way ... Where did you see "3 non-executive employees getting their picture taken giving cookies"? I only see 2. Maybe the Kool-Aid has affected my vision. :eek:






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Nicely said Tony!

Actually, I think they have figured us out. Be nice to us, give us organic coffee, cookies, say supportive things to us and we'll do anything. Make us feel threatened, and we react very poorly to that.

I'm good with the cookie approach.