Flexjet decert
04-05-2018 | 09:50 AM
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This is from another forum, but it is so good I'm copying it here:
It's not the time to be silent. A little information we need to all consider.
From a trusted source:
- all of the 604 flight attendants are being fired
- the manager who called to inform the crews of the decision admitted because the FA's don't have a CBA they can do whatever they want
- same manager also told them we are severely understaffed and delaying 350 deliveries because we can't staff them (so much for the Red Label waiting list)
- despite all the spin we are having a hard time getting qualified candidates and are losing pilots faster than we can hire and definitely faster than we can train
And the most concerning:
- some pilots are being given random casual assurances no matter what happens, because they sent in a card they will be protected. How does management know who sent in cards? Or are they fishing for reactions to gauge who did and who didn't? Why would a pilot believe such an assurance when the mention of it breaks the law? That's like hiring a child molester to babysit.
Something about this drive if off. Something about this management team is off. I respect the fact Mr. Ricci provides me a job and signs my paycheck but it seems there is more to worry about than Mr. Ricci's word. He runs a huge multinational corporation. He will not always have the time to be so personally invested in the details of Flexjet.
I'm sorry but I will not trust the rest of my career to the whims of a very unprofessional and disjointed management system without a union. Once Mr. Ricci steps in to fire or correct bad management, who knows who might be in charge tommorow. We all complain to each other on the road about the constant barrage of fractious communication, the rolling 10/24's, the crew rots, the exploitation of the contract. Management flaunts it simply to blame on the union but we are the ones getting hurt in the bitter fight.
Regardless of the lack of progress on negotiations, right now it looks 100% the only side actively hurting us is management.
I will be voting to keep the union we have. It might not be perfect but in a way we are the ones to blame for it's weakness. How can we vote to get rid of them when we never really gave them a shot?
It's not the time to be silent. A little information we need to all consider.
From a trusted source:
- all of the 604 flight attendants are being fired
- the manager who called to inform the crews of the decision admitted because the FA's don't have a CBA they can do whatever they want
- same manager also told them we are severely understaffed and delaying 350 deliveries because we can't staff them (so much for the Red Label waiting list)
- despite all the spin we are having a hard time getting qualified candidates and are losing pilots faster than we can hire and definitely faster than we can train
And the most concerning:
- some pilots are being given random casual assurances no matter what happens, because they sent in a card they will be protected. How does management know who sent in cards? Or are they fishing for reactions to gauge who did and who didn't? Why would a pilot believe such an assurance when the mention of it breaks the law? That's like hiring a child molester to babysit.
Something about this drive if off. Something about this management team is off. I respect the fact Mr. Ricci provides me a job and signs my paycheck but it seems there is more to worry about than Mr. Ricci's word. He runs a huge multinational corporation. He will not always have the time to be so personally invested in the details of Flexjet.
I'm sorry but I will not trust the rest of my career to the whims of a very unprofessional and disjointed management system without a union. Once Mr. Ricci steps in to fire or correct bad management, who knows who might be in charge tommorow. We all complain to each other on the road about the constant barrage of fractious communication, the rolling 10/24's, the crew rots, the exploitation of the contract. Management flaunts it simply to blame on the union but we are the ones getting hurt in the bitter fight.
Regardless of the lack of progress on negotiations, right now it looks 100% the only side actively hurting us is management.
I will be voting to keep the union we have. It might not be perfect but in a way we are the ones to blame for it's weakness. How can we vote to get rid of them when we never really gave them a shot?
04-05-2018 | 11:13 AM
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This rumor was floated when I was still at QS. It is against the bylaws for NJASAP to represent any group other than NJA pilots.
However, the Flex crowd has forever and a day been the most anti-union group that I have ever met. Their gullibility was unbelievable and their faith in Montreal was borderline insane. I wish everyone there the best but Karma is a MF'er.
If you don't have a felony or a recent failure I'd recommend going anywhere else. But, it's your funeral.
However, the Flex crowd has forever and a day been the most anti-union group that I have ever met. Their gullibility was unbelievable and their faith in Montreal was borderline insane. I wish everyone there the best but Karma is a MF'er.
If you don't have a felony or a recent failure I'd recommend going anywhere else. But, it's your funeral.
Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore!
04-08-2018 | 04:56 PM
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"Something about this drive if off. Something about this management team is off."
Amen! Follow the money. Who is funding this Wonky guy & his band of merry men? I am sure if we can find out, it will not be a pilot. Most likely a well funded entity with nefarious intent or possibly Ricci himself in a round about way. He hasn't ever accepted the fact he has a union on property. Pilots may change representatives but they don't vote Unions off property for many good reasons. DON'T BE A CHUMP- VOTE TO KEEP THE UNION.
And if you are thinking of applying at FlexJet- reconsider. This place is a poop show.
Amen! Follow the money. Who is funding this Wonky guy & his band of merry men? I am sure if we can find out, it will not be a pilot. Most likely a well funded entity with nefarious intent or possibly Ricci himself in a round about way. He hasn't ever accepted the fact he has a union on property. Pilots may change representatives but they don't vote Unions off property for many good reasons. DON'T BE A CHUMP- VOTE TO KEEP THE UNION.
And if you are thinking of applying at FlexJet- reconsider. This place is a poop show.
04-08-2018 | 05:03 PM
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Sometimes, a union is a necessary evil. Flex is definitely one of those cases, more than most in fact.
Netjets needs a union too. It just saddens me that it is being run by a cabal of featherbedding Richard Craniums (well, one anyway). It does a great imitation of modern American politics and culture by destroying anyone that questions their “leadership.”
Netjets needs a union too. It just saddens me that it is being run by a cabal of featherbedding Richard Craniums (well, one anyway). It does a great imitation of modern American politics and culture by destroying anyone that questions their “leadership.”
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