Lots of turmoil, opinions all over the place, not a unified workforce, lots of changes making some happy and some mad.... It seems that is the meat and potatoes of the overall operation. If you thrive in chaos it's great, if you like stability not so much.

 

I spoke with a guy today that’s been there for about a year. He seems overall pretty happy there. Every operation has their pluses and minuses. People on APC complain about everything, so it’s probably not the best place to get information.

 

No, there not hiring red label captains off the street, good grief. What is this turmoil you speak of, please share.

 

Ok. I will admit the one pilot had less than 6 months seniority when they awarded him a Red Label Gulfstream. There is another pilot that was promised the Gulfstream but ended up in the Phenom. They told him to just hang in there a couple of months, and then they can upgrade him.

 

Why not look into the airlines, southwest, spirit and JetBlue have some pretty decent opportunities. I left the 91/135 business and would never look at going back by choice. If you were flying a G5 or something big apply to the legacies. Everyone is hiring.

 

Completely not true. Not even close.

 

Any opinions on Flex jet vs XO Jets? If you guys had options which one would you choose and why. XO seems like an up and coming operation where the pilots are happy. Any thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks guys

 

Pretty much anyone working for the Frac’s will probably say, Run. Run away fast as you can. Basically these aren’t places you go to retire if you are young. It’s all smoke & mirrors. But it may be better than being laid off. They are are all very similar for the work, butyou have to decide which you like the most and give it a whirl. Compared to no money at all it might be ok. But after you have been there for 12 months, you’ll be ****ed off like the rest and still be no closer to an upgrade or more money. But don’t worry, they will lie to you and promise you the moon! Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.

 

Really? So a second raise in less than 6months after the union left is smoke and mirrors? Enlighten me if you will Confucious. Dunno, maybe I just don't see it. Been in Fractional/135 most of my career along with a short stint in 121. The 121 life is terrible IN MY OPINION. ( I know personal opinion's freak you guys out and all). The 121 life is all glamorous until you're drinking the same stale coffee from LaQuinta (or some other roach motel) eating the same fast food, same 10 predictable airports each week, same talks (work work work work UNION work work work, Im not using a headset, work work work (see video on youtube if you don't know what I am talking about.) Im on my 9th wife, work work work work. ) I am all set, no thanks!. I don't need to be labeled an Airline pilot to be a real pilot. I disagree on the notion that 121 is the light, the truth, and the way in aviation. It's the church of flying. NOPE! Not for me. As previously stated, the people that gripe and complain on here are the 1% that every company has.

 

We will soon see if Kenn steps up to the plate with the pay raises.

It will be easy to compare just look at the
15 year Phenom Captain pay on a 7/7 at Flex and Netjets as well as the 15 year CL300 pay on a 7/7. Same aircraft and same schedule will tell you all you need to know if there was a real pay raise or just smoke and mirrors called Red Label.

That is an apple to apple and orange to orange comparison when it comes to straight pay.