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Originally Posted by 727C47
(Post 2914235)
Ok I’m going to dip my oar in briefly, speaking as a once furloughed guy, who was hired when Santulli was riding high , and returned after his successors immolated, both you gentlemen paint an unrealistic picture, Retractable on the plus side, and GEEWHIZ , really , really , on the negative side. There are still issues that need to be worked out, obviously, but since I returned in 2015,this has never been a better place to work than it is now, we have a good union, and management seems to be making the right moves ( we are , and have been extremely profitable) , life on tour at least in the mighty XL has markedly improved along with a sense that we are supported by CMH on the road. Compensation,Hotels, Food, Retirement? yes, we have work to do, in the meantime this is a decent job, with interesting flying , good benefits, a strong union that has our backs, with a management team that is not antagonistic to us, but seems to want to pull together with us going forward. I will never drink the koolaid ever again, but as of October 2019, this place is leagues ahead of where it was October 2015, and most of the peeps I fly with feel the same way. A utopia ? Better than 121 ? Nope, and that’s an apples, and oranges thing, but right now it is a very good job , GODS grace it will get even better when issues like retirement are tackled going forward. End of rave.
Yes Retractable sound way too good most of the time but Geewhiz is so jaded and burnt out he has no credibility anymore. As far as plane orders and who's got more of the biggest ones, I am surprised that Geewhiz even use the latest FXJ G700 order to add to his ammunition against NJA while everyone has seen over the past 12 years that Flex doesn't ever take delivery of more than 25-30% of what they order. But PR helps raise financing. Dont' we all think that large cabins are a thing of the past, especially in the US, apart from the very few clients/corporation that need to travel to China or Europe on a biweekly basis? Manufacturer are producing super-midsize that do the job better at a better operating cost. Isn't it normal that midsize and super-midsize are the norm and large cabins with long legs a minority of the business, more so than 20 years ago? |
Originally Posted by Shenzi105
(Post 2914343)
Finally someone that sounds like 70% of those I meet at NJA, including my friends who've have been there for 17, 16, 14 years.
Yes Retractable sound way too good most of the time but Geewhiz is so jaded and burnt out he has no credibility anymore. As far as plane orders and who's got more of the biggest ones, I am surprised that Geewhiz even use the latest FXJ G700 order to add to his ammunition against NJA while everyone has seen over the past 12 years that Flex doesn't ever take delivery of more than 25-30% of what they order. But PR helps raise financing. Dont' we all think that large cabins are a thing of the past, especially in the US, apart from the very few clients/corporation that need to travel to China or Europe on a biweekly basis? Manufacturer are producing super-midsize that do the job better at a better operating cost. Isn't it normal that midsize and super-midsize are the norm and large cabins with long legs a minority of the business, more so than 20 years ago? https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2019-10-28/gulfstream-deliveries-jump-40-3q |
I know Ricci is full of it and they’ll never take half the deliveries they claim. FLEX is a minor threat picking off the outliers.
Whole ownership is where we have lost most of our large cabin customers. Almost exclusively due to service failures in CMH, not because of economics. If you can’t acknowledge that simple fact, your glasses aren’t rose colored. They’re painted over. |
17 firm G700 orders for Flexjet
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
(Post 2914354)
Oh yeah, that large cabin segment world wide sure is in decline....
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ies-jump-40-3q Wait, your using an article that essentially says orders have dropped, just they finally got their manufacturing going enough o deliver more planes then last year? “ Correspondingly, book-to-bill dipped to 0.7:1 for the quarter, compared with 0.89:1 a year earlier.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Egliderjet
(Post 2914361)
Wait, your using an article that essentially says orders have dropped, just they finally got their manufacturing going enough o deliver more planes then last year?
“ Correspondingly, book-to-bill dipped to 0.7:1 for the quarter, compared with 0.89:1 a year earlier.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk "However, with the strong orders in the earlier part of the year, book-to-bill remains at more than 1:1 year-to-date." Yeah, not too concerned. |
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
(Post 2914366)
Considering their production is sold out for the next three years, I'm not to worried about Gulfstream.
"However, with the strong orders in the earlier part of the year, book-to-bill remains at more than 1:1 year-to-date." Yeah, not too concerned. “Sold out for 3 years” is a marketing joke. There is only one company I know that I serious when they say that, to the point of they won’t even add any orders to the “book” and that’s Pilatus. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Egliderjet
(Post 2914377)
“Sold out for 3 years” is a marketing joke. There is only one company I know that I serious when they say that, to the point of they won’t even add any orders to the “book” and that’s Pilatus.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk And the delivery and demo pilots that I know at Gulfstream haven't been told to expect to keep flying their b@11s off for the foreseeable future. Gotcha. But I'm just jaded and burnt out so, clearly I have no credibility. Carry on... |
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
(Post 2914394)
So I guess that's why a buddy's flight department just signed for a G500 and won't take delivery until spring of 2022.
And the delivery and demo pilots that I know at Gulfstream haven't been told to expect to keep flying their b@11s off for the foreseeable future. Gotcha. But I'm just jaded and burnt out so, clearly I have no credibility. Carry on... The amount of flying that demo pilots do has no bearing on if an airplane or manufacturer is “sold out”. If that was the “evidence“ and they needed to be told that now, then I feel bad for Gulfstream demo pilots cause that’s what Bombi tells pilots from day one. Besides, if your sold out, then you wouldn’t need to do as many demo flights. And yes, 2022 is only 2 years 2 months out. And I am sure if they didn’t care how the plane was set up, they could easily be on a waitlist for a sale that falls through. Besides that, it’s all about how fast Gulfstream is willing to produce aircraft. They decided (probably planned last year with the 500/600 deliveries coming up) to up their production and deliver more aircraft this year then last. They can slow that back down if they want, or speed it up. It’s what manufactures do. They just laid off 400ish paper pushers to free up money elsewhere, it will be interesting to see if that is to put into R&D, production, or just their pockets. I am sure Gulfstream is just fine, never said they weren’t. They thrive on marketing themselves as the elite, hard to get, luxury item and they are good at it. But in the end, it’s just marketing. Many company’s do it when they are dealing with the high end market. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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