BravoPapa

Is there any benefit to passing the commercial check ride before the June date when they update the standards? I'm not familiar with how the private and instrument have already changed because I've had those a long time. Are the new standards 'harder' or just different?

JohnBurke

Heaven forbid someone get held to a higher standard.

BravoPapa

Heaven forbid you'd just answer the question and actually be helpful instead being an annoying jerk.

dera

You're saying the current CP standard is up to date and valid? Do you often calculate distances from a station based on your ADF movement?

JohnBurke

Did you see or hear me make that statement? The only one who has said any such thing is you. Put words in your own mouth, if you think you're capable.

Which is really quite irrelevant.

Do you not understand the function of ADF, or of an RMI?

If the new standards are "harder," does that mean you should rush to get it done while it's still "easy?"

How about simply learning to do it right? "Hard" or "easy" becomes irrelevant.

Or you could simply take the easy way out, if you believe that to be the case.

dera

As per usual, you completely missed the OP's and my point. Did you see the OP asked if they were harder, or different? You then commented, in your usual style, something snarky that made no sense and had no relevance to the original question. I then tried to veer the discussion towards the "different" by asking if you thought the current standards are relevant to modern real life flying (they are not). You obviously replied, again, something that makes no sense and is not relevant to the topic.

"Learning to do it right". Funny. You haven't done a FAA knowledge test in a while have you? Yes, I understand ADF and RMI very well, thank you. But I also know that (calculating distance based on ADF needle movement) is a skill I will never, ever need in any sort of flying context, so learning that is simply wasted time and energy. It's simple trigonometry, but to have 6 questions on a knowledge test about it, when no-one maintains situational awareness that way, is just wasting 6 questions which could test something more relevant.

The new standards are different, not harder or easier, assuming they will do what they did with PP and IR when they went PTS->ACS. Easier in a way because they are removing the irrelevant garbage questions (such as, which button to push on a remote compass to turn it towards heading X), harder because it now has more scenario-based questions, which require wider comprehension of the topic, instead of just memorizing the old BS questions.

JohnBurke

I surely did, and responded specifically to that statement.

Your reading comprehension suffers. Do something about that.

rickair7777

If you're just wrapping up the CPL during that time frame, it would be better to take the ride under the old standards...

1. That's what the instructors having been training you towards.
2. That's what they know how to train you towards.
3. That's what the examiners know how check.

If you're on the bleeding edge of something like this, you're a test pilot. We just went through a change of training process at my airline on a particular airplane, and had about a 50% bust rate the first week.

dera

No you didn't.

My reading comprehension is just fine. You're just a jerk, do something about that.

dera

A lot of candidates failed their IR written tests after they started using ACS, all the test prep material was done for the PTS material and Sheppard etc were simply teaching irrelevant things that weren't tested any more.
Just like you said - I'd avoid being an "early adopter" when FAA changes something.