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splash333 09-19-2017 05:49 PM

total time/cost of flight training
 
I am interested in going through flight training. There is a flight school close by to me, they have (3) cessna 150 for 75/hour and (2) cessna 152 for 80/hour and I think an instructor is 25/hour. I am trying to save enough money to go straight though from 0-cfi. I want to do it in the fastest cheapest way possible. I think that would mean saving enough money to go start to finish so I can do it fulltime. What do you think the total amount of money would be and what is the fastest I could complete this if I am doing it fulltime?Currently I have a four year degree but there aren't any jobs I can get with it. I have a job I hate unrelated to my degree and dont make much money. I am living at home so can save most of what I earn. I hope to save enough in 2-3 years. Or I could take out a loan and start now. I am also considering buying a cheap cessna 150 for training but not sure if that would save me any money.

renaissance2008 09-20-2017 03:19 AM

$25 for cfi and $80 for 152, those are great prices. Where are you located ?

Pokeysrider 09-24-2017 09:30 AM

Airspeed, av gas and money are what you need
 
Those rates you quoted are lower than most, for sure. Another question for them is if those aircraft are equipped and current for IFR?
Here's the deal, you need to get to 1500 hours as a commercial instrument rated multiengine pilot with at least 50 ME and 100 instrument time. Here's the order:
Private
Instrument
Commercial SE
(This is the point that you start and complete your initial CFI training, if you can't afford to pay for your own flight time to get to 1500)
Multi (as an add-on to your commercial certificate, requiring less time than doing a private multi, then commercial multi).
ATP and some others, right or wrong, skip the commercial SE and you do all of your commercial training in a multi. In my opinion, this is a ploy to extract more money from you, in the form of multiengine timebuilding. Many regionals will hire you with 25 ME and let you build the rest in sims on their nickle, so why pay your training provider for that time?
Lastly, consider working as an instructor at a flight school with a flow. Envoy has a cool program where you actually work for them as an instructor, with a participating flight school acting as a middleman, turning your time card to Envoy, for their payment to you (with full Envoy benefits).
Since they are owned by AA, it's a direct path from a C152 into a regional jet then into a mainline.
If you do choose flight instruction, be sure to do it in an area with good flying weather year 'round and choose a busy school. Make the right choices and you could be in the right seat of a regional jet in less than two years, if the industry is in the same place as it is now.
If you can afford it, skip the flight school, buy an aircraft in good mechanical condition and fly your way to 1500 hours.
Good luck!

splash333 09-25-2017 07:02 AM

So at about 100/hour and it takes about 250 to get commercial rating is 25k a good estimate on the total cost?

Selfmade92 09-25-2017 08:36 AM

Remember, you can split some time once you have your Private. Also you have to factor in about $40/h for a CFI, I had about 100h dual, so that would be another $4,000USD.

kingsnake2 09-25-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by splash333 (Post 2432860)
I am interested in going through flight training. There is a flight school close by to me, they have (3) cessna 150 for 75/hour and (2) cessna 152 for 80/hour and I think an instructor is 25/hour. I am trying to save enough money to go straight though from 0-cfi. I want to do it in the fastest cheapest way possible. I think that would mean saving enough money to go start to finish so I can do it fulltime. What do you think the total amount of money would be and what is the fastest I could complete this if I am doing it fulltime?Currently I have a four year degree but there aren't any jobs I can get with it. I have a job I hate unrelated to my degree and dont make much money. I am living at home so can save most of what I earn. I hope to save enough in 2-3 years. Or I could take out a loan and start now. I am also considering buying a cheap cessna 150 for training but not sure if that would save me any money.

Those are really low rates by market standard. Typically I'd say $50-70,000 for 0-CFII just depending on where you live, fleet used, etc.

FLYGUYRY 09-26-2017 05:10 AM

Very good prices, I'm paying 55/hr for instructor, 145/hr for C172 (G1000 or steam is same price), 185/hr for a Piper Arrow, 185/hr for a SR20, 225/hr for a Grumman Cougar here in Baltimore.

I am in a program going through MEI, at the moment I've been flying about a year and a half and am about 3/4 of the way through my commercial (I also work full time). Anticipate being done somewhere around April of next year. Total cost will be around $55-60k and will finish somewhere around 250 hours TT, about 30 ME

bhackett 09-26-2017 05:26 AM

I went from 0-hero(CSEL) in 1 year of training at a part 61. Have spent roughly $30k. Have split most of my time with a time builder. 0 sim time
It is easy to get financed for a 141 school, but is alot more expensive and training is more of paying for a steak dinner and getting fast food.
Should consider getting a personal loan of half of the cost, and rest paying cash, and going to a part 61.

splash333 09-29-2017 01:46 PM

How exactly does the splitting time thing work? I know I need 40 hours to get ppl then I can split some of the other 200 hours to get to commercial? I would like to go 0- commercial by the end of next year. I would like to work full-time and use all the money to pay for my training as I go over the course of the year. How demanding is flight training if I am working day 50 hours a week ill I be able to fly like 5 hours a week doing like 2-3 lessons a week and study in my free time. I am pretty good with self study I feel like I did mostly self study in college and did well.

kingsnake2 09-29-2017 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by splash333 (Post 2438525)
How exactly does the splitting time thing work? I know I need 40 hours to get ppl then I can split some of the other 200 hours to get to commercial? I would like to go 0- commercial by the end of next year. I would like to work full-time and use all the money to pay for my training as I go over the course of the year. How demanding is flight training if I am working day 50 hours a week ill I be able to fly like 5 hours a week doing like 2-3 lessons a week and study in my free time. I am pretty good with self study I feel like I did mostly self study in college and did well.

First off, I wouldn't plan on PPL being 40 hours, especially if you are doing it part time on top of full-time work. I would plan on a minimum of 50 hours if doing training part time.

As for time sharing, you can start it any time after private. You'll need about 50 hours of dual time for instrument and commercial initial, so a total of around 150 hours of time sharing if you do every bit of time building with another pilot. Most students do less - more like 100 hours shared.

The legal bits of it are that one PIC pilot is under the hood and the other is VFR PIC. Both log the time except for takeoff and landing during which only one of you can log the time.


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