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martinlodijo 10-17-2018 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by misterpretzel (Post 2692602)
Why do you want to go to China? Also I don't think they are looking for wet commercials

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Because with the world wide pilot shortage and China being one of the biggest upcoming economies. They're willing to pay pilots between $10,000/$30,000 USD (after taxes) wages a month. I'm still doing more research to see if they'll consider "wet commercial" pilots.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2692605)
An aviation degree is scarcely worth the paper its printed on. The expense you'll go to at riddle is most definitely not worth it, and it will not give you any advantage or leg up.

Get the aviation degree if you want, and go to ERAU if you want. If you have money to burn, why not.

If you have other priorities than burn money and gain a reputation as a trust fund kid, you might consider other options.

As for flying in China...you haven't done the research that you think you've done.


I'm not a trust fund kid, I don't have the money to burn but I know I have the option to finance this with student loans. As for being a foreign airline pilot in China, I'm still doing research on PPRuNe seeing the pros and cons and so far it seems doable if I focus on my main objective.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Airbum (Post 2692620)
I think your plan of being hired by airline in China with a wet commercial and BS degree is ill informed.

Are you a USA citizen?

Please research the requirements for employment overseas more thoroughly before going into debt.

Yes I'm a naturalized US Citizen, and I probably am ill-informed at the moment that's why I'm trying to get as much information as I can. I rather use student loans to pay for flight hours and ground school that'll get me closer to the 1500 hours, then go into debt getting a BS in Aeronautics.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Skyjumper (Post 2692747)
I think you should probably look at the CNY to USD and HKD to USD conversion rates before making this decision

From what many online sources say they're referring to USD

https://money.cnn.com/2016/11/15/new...gn-pilots-pay/

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2692753)
Do you have any idea how much interest you'd be paying over the life of that loan?

I haven't signed for any loans yet but yes fixed rate between 3.76 to 4.66 APR :|

PT6 Flyer 10-17-2018 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by martinlodijo (Post 2693232)
I (sic) rather use student loans to pay for flight hours and ground school that'll get me closer to the 1500 hours, then go into debt getting a BS in Aeronautics.

Get a job at a regional or Part 135 operator, then start your four-year degree. I know someone at Ameriflight who is doing this very thing right now.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2693045)
If you were thinking about flying for a US airline:

Someone on this forum suggesting getting the flight training first, getting to a regional, then get your four-year degree online while working at the regional. It is an idea worth considering.

If you were thinking about flying for a Mainland China airline:

You MUST talk this over with those airlines first. If not, you may be making a terrible mistake.

Many Mainland Chinese airlines train their pilots at Aeroguard Flight Training in the Phoenix, Arizona area. I even saw a photo on the wall inside the Aeroguard Flight Training building of the time the Chinese FAA paid them a visit. It might help you a lot to talk to those people.

Finally, someone replies back to my question! Thank you PT6 Flyer!! I will definitely reach out to someone at Aeroguard Flight Training in Phoenix.

I personally prefer that route and go through flight training, then possibly wasting money and time getting a degree in Aeronautics first.

I'm trying to contact someone at Xiamen Air to see what requirements they look for in recruiting new pilots. I don't want to go through a hiring agency like Bernoulli because I know long term I'll be paying for their fees with a portion of my paycheck and I definitely don't want to apply with a wet commercial's so I want to rack up 1500 hours as quickly as possible to at least qualify for a FO position.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by PT6 Flyer (Post 2693241)
Get a job at a regional or Part 135 operator, then start your four-year degree. I know someone at Ameriflight who is doing this very thing right now.

Great, I still have time to drop my classes in ERAU without getting penalized. Although I do think that I should at least take ASCI254 (Aviation and the Role of Government) to get a start on learning about the industry.

I'm currently stationed in Yokosuka Japan, so I won't be going to flight school until I'm back in the state's summer 2019 but I at least can brush up on good reading material.

martinlodijo 10-17-2018 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 2693073)
Many of the chinese students training in the US show up with a 99 year contract to their airline, whether they make it as a pilot or not.

99 Year Contracts sound insane I can understand 99 year property leases like the one that Great Britain had in Hong Kong back in 1989. From the research that I've done for foreign pilots in China the majority of contracts are renewable every three years. At least with Xiamen Air, which is the airlines that I'm particularly interested in.

JohnBurke 10-17-2018 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by martinlodijo (Post 2693252)
I will definitely reach out to someone at Aeroguard Flight Training in Phoenix.

Don't waste your time. Aeroguard is nothing more than the former Transpac Academy, a third rate certificate mill where chinese airlines sent their indentured slaves to get a certificate and a taste of aviation before reeling them back for a lifetime commitment. You going there won't get you a bit closer to working in China, not that you should.

Your original post sounded more like a high school student considering options. Your more recent post suggests you're in the service, which means that you can take ERAU online or in person for considerably less than others, which would make a lot more sense. Context is everything. That being the case, you'll actually be ahead to crank out as many credits as you can right now, whether you elect to finish with ERAU or not.


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