CFI dual while building time towards comm
11-14-2021, 04:27 PM
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CFI dual while building time towards comm
Working with my son on his tickets towards a professional career. He is about 50 hours short of 250TT, has most of the 61 req for comm, has his inst. His first Instructor suggested working on the CFI in conjunction with the comm. I agreed, not sure how this plays out, re: comm checkride, future bosses. I didn’t do it this way 40 years ago but it seems like a good productive way to prep for both comm and CFI and save some $$$$ on flight time. Any thoughts, especially from AME’s out there.
11-14-2021, 05:21 PM
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I assume he meant DPEs? Working on the two concurrently could save time and money. I’ve heard of people doing their CFI ride the day after the commercial ride. If you can do the CFI maneuvers and oral to standards then the commercial ride would just be a formality. The only thing is which seat he’s flying from. You can do the commercial ride from the right seat but would want to check with the DPE ahead of time to make sure they’re good with it. Otherwise, just alternate seats in training to be proficient from both sides.
11-15-2021, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Especially from Aviation Medical Examiners?
11-15-2021, 09:55 AM
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As a CFI ive successfully done 5 or 6 combined Comm/CFI with checkrides a few days to a week apart.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
11-16-2021, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI
11-16-2021, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theonlyski
This changed in late 2018, the FSDO is not involved in initial CFI assignments anymore. An applicant can get with any DPE that is authorized to conduct the examination and use them.
Shows you how well I’ve kept up.
Suggestion doesn’t change, use the same DPE for both rides.
11-18-2021, 06:50 AM
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Yes, I've done this in the distant past. CPL training (at least towards the end) done in the right seat, CPL checkride right seat, followed quickly by CFI ride.
If the student is up to it, no reason not to double up on the aeronautical experience. If they're ready for the CFI, the CPL ride should be easy.
If the student is up to it, no reason not to double up on the aeronautical experience. If they're ready for the CFI, the CPL ride should be easy.
11-18-2021, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
As a CFI ive successfully done 5 or 6 combined Comm/CFI with checkrides a few days to a week apart.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
11-28-2021, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
As a CFI ive successfully done 5 or 6 combined Comm/CFI with checkrides a few days to a week apart.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
Its a challenge but very doable.
If the DPE is ok with it even the Comm
ride from the RH seat.
Since the FSDO needs to appoint a DPE for the Initial CFI I would suggest to use the same DPE (and the same aircraft) for both rides.
Clearly communicate your intentions prior and the Commercial will be a great warm up for the CFI ride.
I had agreed with the DPE that my applicants would talk, explain and “teach” during their Commercial ride and get some feedback as far as weaknesses that would be a fail on a CFI ride but obviously a pass on a Commercial.
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