ATP CTP
 

1. Has anyone had to pay for extra sim time beyond the 6 included sim hours for the ATP CTP @ ATP JETS in Dallas? They just had me sign a contract saying more hours may be required and its $750/hour with a minimum of 4.

I paid $4K for the atp ctp course and it included the 6 hours of sim and the written exam fee.

2. Looking for a study buddy to go over Sheppard air questions for the ATP CTP - if you are currently studying for a mid october test date, let me know!

A good practice is to be up to speed on instrument flying, before you undertake any sim training.

Any course of flying, whether it's toward a type rating or pilot certification level will typically advise that any additional training that may be required will cost X amount, over and above the cost of the course. This is true of seaplane training or instrument simulation.

There is no required proficiency in the sim. It's basically a brief intro to flying turbine aircraft. You do the classroom, pass the class test, do your sims, get a certificate and a PDF indicating your sim time. I just took the same class (self paid as well) in May at ATP. You get 6 hours full motion and 4 hours FTD (which may be substituted for a full motion sim with the motion turned off at their discretion).

You may have missed the point.

What point is that? That they automatically give you 10 hours, but have the language that if added sims are necessary they'll charge extra? Since there's no required proficiency to be shown, there would be no reason to require extra sims. Not sure why they would even put that in there since extra sim sessions are not offered.

curious, are you able to log all 10 hours as multi engine time in a logbook, and do you know if that counts towards the 50 total the LCC's want to see before you interview? -michael

The 6 hours full motion can count towards the 50 hours in class required for the ME ATP. All ten hours can count toward the 75 hours instrument flight time required for the ATP. No idea what a particular airline will want to see.
I would not put the simulator time in the ME airplane column in your logbook. The time can be added to your actual airplane time but I would suggest a separate column for sim time.

CFR 61.159 spells all requirement to apply for an ATP certificate/

Everything done in CAT D sim can be logged as TT and ME (if it was) towards your ATP req including instrument time and landings.

I would not actually log any sim as TT. That's not what most employers expect to see. You can add up anything that counts for any cert or rating and write it on the 8710, but don't muddy the waters in your logbook.

Private sector employers expect total time = actual airplane pilot time.

I have never met an airline pilot who logged 121 sim time in their personal book. Many or most 121 instructors will not want to sign it, and sim time needs an instructor signature. You'll still get career credit for it, everybody knows that if you worked for an airline for X years, you had to have done Y hours in a Cat D sim.