WOW... I thought this conversation was over. Sounds like piloting is kind of like medicine... A lot of "gray areas".

My intention is to go to flight school get at least a private and move on from there. I would love to do aviation as a career, but I really can't justify giving up my salary. (I'm 33). So... If I could build time to the point that I could do CFI or part time or seasonal charter flying, that would be ideal.

No, I'm not trying to scoot the system.

It is part 91, I do know that much.

Thanks for all the vauable insight.

-T

There are some gray areas. But there are a lot more that are just fairly technical and not that well understood by most pilots, even if the answers are pretty clear (which is different than being gray).

People were just trying to figure out a way that it could be logged but bottom line is that, for you, unless the PIC is a CFI and willing to teach you and endorse your logbook, there's just no way.

Makes sense. The only thing we haven't done is "holding maneuvers", if ya know what I mean.

That Lima Fox seems to get you into anywhere in a hurry.

Well, I hope you all enjoy being in the air as much as me.

Good luck to all.

"unless the PIC is a CFI and willing to teach you and endorse your logbook, there's just no way."

Agreed. Let us know how it turns out.

Could very well be that the PIC is also an MEI. Most people don't let those CFI tickets expire once they get them (who wants to do another checkride :D)

Awe c'mon guys, I log PIC if I'm in the first 10 rows- even when I'm deadheading.;) And if a pax asks me anything, that's dual right there!:)

I knew there was a quicker way to get to bigger and better things!!!

This is correct. But there is even more involved. Before an ATP can instruct/check in "air transportation service" he/she must have reach a certain level of experience in the aircraft (usually at least 500 hours of line PIC time), undergo in-house training, including observation rides, and then in the case of becoming a check airman, must be observed by a FAA inspector while performing the type of checking the ATP will do. Lastly, they must receive a LOA from the FAA regarding the type of instructing/checking permitted. The average ATP on the line may not instruct in any legal way without that LOA, and then only in their company's FAA approved training program to their company's pilots. This would include type ratings for company aircraft, and if necessary, initial ATP certificates.

With the exception noted above, only FAA certified flight instructors may give flight instruction to students persuing FAA certificates and ratings.

Thanks for the info! Very interesting information... I guess I learn something new every day (not much experience with ATP candidates here, and not an ATP myself)