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Old 06-16-2006, 09:06 PM
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Talking Question on how to log dual given

I just got my first student with no experience, besides the discovery flight I gave him. I will use the Jeppesen syllabus to train him.

Should I log the time in the logbooks like this:

Jepp FLT # 3 Complete

and if it is incomplete, like this:

Jepp FLT #3 Incomplete
soft t/o, short ldg, s-turns

(listing what was not completed)

and if I did it this way, I would make sure I kept the syllabus for atleast three years from the time the student earned their certificate.

ORRRR, should I write everything we do, line by line, mnvr by mnvr, regardless of the syllabus or lack there of that I use?

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In his logbook, I would write what you did. Don't write complete or not complete. In his syllabus, that is where I would keep track of what is complete and the date completed. The records that you have to keep for three years don't have to be that complete at all. Just when he goes for the test and the results (written and practical), and a solo endorsement.
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I agree.
Make sure that you log each manuever, and in the back record the ground lessons. Make sure you have a copy of a passport or birth cerificate and that you log in his book that you have verified citizenship. If you dont, the TSA could fry you.
Cover everthing as written in part 61,and dont EVER sign off anything you didn't do. That signiture has powerful authority, but with that comes responsibility in the same degree and remember that you will be held accountable for it in the event of an incident or worse.
 
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Also, when you log each maneuver, MAKE SURE you write "ENTRY and RECOVERY." That is very important, because if he/she has an accident doing a maneuver and says to the FAA (if they are still alive)...well 'Mistarose' never tought me how to recover from this...and then the Feds will look back thru his/her logbook...

Then you are screwed my friend...CYA is the key to flight instructing

PM me for any details...I am reaaaaaaly nitpicky with log books...
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Originally Posted by Laxrox43
Also, when you log each maneuver, MAKE SURE you write "ENTRY and RECOVERY." That is very important, because if he/she has an accident doing a maneuver and says to the FAA (if they are still alive)...well 'Mistarose' never tought me how to recover from this...and then the Feds will look back thru his/her logbook...

Then you are screwed my friend...CYA is the key to flight instructing

PM me for any details...I am reaaaaaaly nitpicky with log books...
Yes, this was the basis for a successful lawsuit brought by the family of a dead pilot. They successfully argued before 12 of our "peers" that the pilot in question was taught to stall aircraft during the course of his training, but was never taught to recover from those stalls...

Before signing off for solo or checkride, review the part 61 requirements for BOTH ground AND flight training, and make sure that each and every item listed in 61 is documented in the logbook. Don't forget to log an appropriate and reasonable number of ground training hours for the topics required.

You do not necessarily have to write a novel in the student's logbook every time you do ground training, the easy way is when you do solo or checkride prep make a entry for ground training covering all of the required 61 ground items. You will be covering it in review anyway. I had my ground review sessions in MS word, so I could print and paste into the logbook so I didn't have to write out all that crappola.

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