Should I file a NASA form for this?
02-04-2010 | 09:00 PM
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I have also done the same thing in a class B airspace. My student was climbing out, and I got distracted enough that we went into the airspace by about 500 feet. I immediately cleared the airspace and filled out an ASRS form after landing just as a CYA action. I never heard anything about it.
02-05-2010 | 03:21 PM
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It sounds like the controller forgot to tell you "cancel altitude restriction" when sending you over to the VFR side. I doubt the intention was to have you fly 10NM at 1000 feet to clear the outer ring and if they didn't want you in the airspace there would have been a reason for it like conflicting traffic overhead. If that were the case he wouldn't have had you squawk 1200 and change freqs.
I'd fill out the NASA simply for he mishandling of the handoff info from tower to controller but I'd say you didn't actually bust.
I'd fill out the NASA simply for he mishandling of the handoff info from tower to controller but I'd say you didn't actually bust.
02-05-2010 | 05:59 PM
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I would be shocked if any controller would violate you busting for a few seconds, unless it cause you to deviate another aircraft. On my personal scale of things that could go wrong I would rate it about a 2 out of 10. I would sweat it. About 5 years ago the controller said he would call my base. I turned in and came way to close to a cargo plane on final. The controller called me and said I needed to wake up. He said all the bells went of in the tower. Nothing happened.
02-09-2010 | 12:40 PM
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I encourage everyone saying things like "I can't see them doing it," "it doesn't seem likely," "I wouldn't report you," etc to read this:
Let me ask you this. Imagine you were doing 75 in a 65 and drove by something you thought was a speed trap camera on the highway. Now imagine there is a NASA reporting system for cars, where if you report your speeding in this zone you won't have legal action taken. A buddy of yours, a cop says, "don't worry the cameras only send tickets for people going over 15 mph over the speed limit."
Now you have two options, listen to your buddy who didn't program the particular camera and has no material assets (including dollars/jail time) to lose by giving you faulty advice. Option two is take 5 minutes to fill out a form so if they give you a ticket you don't get in trouble.
Is 5 minutes of time really worth a possible violation? You have absolutely nothing to lose by filling out the report, all you do is gain a big safety net should things go south.
I personally tell my students to print some out and carry them in your flight bag in letters that are pre filled out. If you feel you might be at risk of a violation, sit down and fill it out to mail it that day. I have 3 in my flight bag ready to go at all times. Better safe than stupid.
5. PROHIBITION AGAINST THE USE OF REPORTS FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES
Section 91.25 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) (14 CFR 91.25) prohibits the use of any reports submitted to NASA under the ASRS (or information derived therefrom) in any disciplinary action, except information concerning criminal offenses or accidents which are covered under paragraphs 7a(1) and 7a(2).
When violation of the FAR comes to the attention of the FAA from a source other than a report filed with NASA under the ASRS, appropriate action will be taken. See paragraph 9.
The NASA ASRS security system is designed and operated by NASA to ensure confidentiality and anonymity of the reporter and all other parties involved in a reported occurrence or incident. The FAA will not seek, and NASA will not release or make available to the FAA, any report filed with NASA under the ASRS or any other information that might reveal the identity of any party involved in an occurrence or incident reported under the ASRS. There has been no breach of confidentiality in more than 30 years of the ASRS under NASA management.
Section 91.25 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) (14 CFR 91.25) prohibits the use of any reports submitted to NASA under the ASRS (or information derived therefrom) in any disciplinary action, except information concerning criminal offenses or accidents which are covered under paragraphs 7a(1) and 7a(2).
When violation of the FAR comes to the attention of the FAA from a source other than a report filed with NASA under the ASRS, appropriate action will be taken. See paragraph 9.
The NASA ASRS security system is designed and operated by NASA to ensure confidentiality and anonymity of the reporter and all other parties involved in a reported occurrence or incident. The FAA will not seek, and NASA will not release or make available to the FAA, any report filed with NASA under the ASRS or any other information that might reveal the identity of any party involved in an occurrence or incident reported under the ASRS. There has been no breach of confidentiality in more than 30 years of the ASRS under NASA management.
Now you have two options, listen to your buddy who didn't program the particular camera and has no material assets (including dollars/jail time) to lose by giving you faulty advice. Option two is take 5 minutes to fill out a form so if they give you a ticket you don't get in trouble.
Is 5 minutes of time really worth a possible violation? You have absolutely nothing to lose by filling out the report, all you do is gain a big safety net should things go south.
I personally tell my students to print some out and carry them in your flight bag in letters that are pre filled out. If you feel you might be at risk of a violation, sit down and fill it out to mail it that day. I have 3 in my flight bag ready to go at all times. Better safe than stupid.
02-09-2010 | 06:42 PM
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My theory is, if you haven't heard anything yet I wouldn't worry. But the other poster is right. If this incident just occurred you should probably fill one out if you feel you truly did something wrong. I still think on my violation scale its about a 3 out of 10. But don't listen to me. When I hit wind shear on final about 5 years ago into a short grass strip I went full power at about the stall point. I brushed the trees and wedged a branch between the brake pads and the rotor. I guess I should have filled one out.
I'll never forget the sight of looking out and seeing a small branch flapping in the wind thinking "what I'm I going to do".
I'll never forget the sight of looking out and seeing a small branch flapping in the wind thinking "what I'm I going to do".
02-09-2010 | 08:07 PM
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I encourage everyone saying things like "I can't see them doing it," "it doesn't seem likely," "I wouldn't report you," etc to read this:
Let me ask you this. Imagine you were doing 75 in a 65 and drove by something you thought was a speed trap camera on the highway. Now imagine there is a NASA reporting system for cars, where if you report your speeding in this zone you won't have legal action taken. A buddy of yours, a cop says, "don't worry the cameras only send tickets for people going over 15 mph over the speed limit."
Now you have two options, listen to your buddy who didn't program the particular camera and has no material assets (including dollars/jail time) to lose by giving you faulty advice. Option two is take 5 minutes to fill out a form so if they give you a ticket you don't get in trouble.
Is 5 minutes of time really worth a possible violation? You have absolutely nothing to lose by filling out the report, all you do is gain a big safety net should things go south.
I personally tell my students to print some out and carry them in your flight bag in letters that are pre filled out. If you feel you might be at risk of a violation, sit down and fill it out to mail it that day. I have 3 in my flight bag ready to go at all times. Better safe than stupid.
Let me ask you this. Imagine you were doing 75 in a 65 and drove by something you thought was a speed trap camera on the highway. Now imagine there is a NASA reporting system for cars, where if you report your speeding in this zone you won't have legal action taken. A buddy of yours, a cop says, "don't worry the cameras only send tickets for people going over 15 mph over the speed limit."
Now you have two options, listen to your buddy who didn't program the particular camera and has no material assets (including dollars/jail time) to lose by giving you faulty advice. Option two is take 5 minutes to fill out a form so if they give you a ticket you don't get in trouble.
Is 5 minutes of time really worth a possible violation? You have absolutely nothing to lose by filling out the report, all you do is gain a big safety net should things go south.
I personally tell my students to print some out and carry them in your flight bag in letters that are pre filled out. If you feel you might be at risk of a violation, sit down and fill it out to mail it that day. I have 3 in my flight bag ready to go at all times. Better safe than stupid.
02-09-2010 | 08:30 PM
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Three is just so I don't have to refill my supply instantly if I have continuous flights. If I file one today because of a bust I don't have to run home to prepare another for a later flight. It allows me some slack and to this day I have only used one of them. Took me about two months to get my stash back to 3 after that one use, I am lazy.
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