Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
(Post 810137)
Might want to check on that. The regulation change of 61.195 of 29 October 2009 changed some wording, and the following FAA Legal Interpretation seems to make it sound as if you need to have both the applicable Pilot & Flight Instructor certificate in the category to do instruction.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../Grayson-2.pdf |
Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver
(Post 810137)
Might want to check on that. The regulation change of 61.195 of 29 October 2009 changed some wording, and the following FAA Legal Interpretation seems to make it sound as if you need to have both the applicable Pilot & Flight Instructor certificate in the category to do instruction.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../Grayson-2.pdf They cannot hold people responsible for fantasy rules which exist only in their own mind, there is no reasonable requirement that every time we want to do something authorized by the regs that we have to go look for FAA interpretations which contradict the regs. Maybe someday they will all of their ducks in a row. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 810308)
Thanks for pointing that out, although the FAA does not have a legal leg to stand on with this...FAR 61 still appears to allow this, and FAA order 8900.1 (FSIMS) clearly and explicitly says it is OK.
(b) Aircraft Ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold: (1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and (2) If appropriate, a type rating. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 810308)
Thanks for pointing that out, although the FAA does not have a legal leg to stand on with this...FAR 61 still appears to allow this, and FAA order 8900.1 (FSIMS) clearly and explicitly says it is OK.
They cannot hold people responsible for fantasy rules which exist only in their own mind, there is no reasonable requirement that every time we want to do something authorized by the regs that we have to go look for FAA interpretations which contradict the regs. Maybe someday they will all of their ducks in a row. Even before the reg change. FSIMS is a different issue and, of course, it's not a reg but a "guidance" that is for the purpose of Flight Standards standardization. It changes on the whim of the Flight Standards department. In case of a conflict with the regs, the regs (and as a by product, the Chief Counsel's interpretation of the regs) take precedence. Although... even 6 months after the reg change, FSIMS has not been amended to reflect the "new" rules. One has to wonder whether the internal battle about this issue continues. |
Originally Posted by NoyGonnaDoIt
(Post 810820)
Although... even 6 months after the reg change, FSIMS has not been amended to reflect the "new" rules. One has to wonder whether the internal battle about this issue continues.
But I don't think the FAA could enforce this until they get the word out...they need to do a new AC and of course get their flight standards people on board. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 810859)
But I don't think the FAA could enforce this until they get the word out...they need to do a new AC and of course get their flight standards people on board.
In fact there was an enforcement action brought against an instructor a few years ago involving this issue. From correspondence with the CFI involved, it's my understanding that it was dropped in part because of the conflict in the publicly available FAA documents on the subject. |
So I'm pretty sure you guys already answered this but just want to double check before filling out my logbook.
We get a multi at our school which model I have 0 time in, I can go up with the chief CFI who isn't an MEI (I am) and I can log it as dual given for the sake of both of us getting familiar with the plane, and then after that 5 hours then we can do training for his MEI, right? |
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