I'm aware that you need 5 hour PIC in type to do any flight instruction in a multi-engine airplane, but do you need 5 hours PIC in type to flight instruct in any single-engine airplane? Example: I have never flown a Piper Saratoga so can I give somebody flight training in that airplane, say towards a commercial license?

 

Not unless it requires a type rating (ie jets), but it would not be a bad idea to have a few hours. If something goes wrong, you will still get blamed regadless of your experience in the aircraft.

 

Make them pay for it. Don't give in to the temptation to shoot from the hip. "I have never flown this exact airplane before, so for your safety and mine I need to log up to 5 hours of flight experience in it before we begin." They'll spring for if they are serious. As Rick says, a couple of hours ought to do. The point is to be comfortable flying it, do some air work and pattern work until you are.

 

Whose insurance (CFI or owner)? They always have mins. i.e. I needed 10 hours dual before insurance would cover me as PIC in a complex/hi perf single.

 

[quote=Tchinson;808222] need 5 hour PIC in type to do any flight instruction in a multi-engine airplane=quote]

You mean "5 hours PIC in type to do any instruction in a multiengine airplane leading to a rating"; does not apply to A/C checkouts, flight reviews, IPC, currency training.

 

[quote=727gm;808693]Yes, you are correct 727gm, which brings up my next question. Many people say a CFI without an MEI can give a Flight Review in a multi-engine aircraft or a CFII can give say instrument instruction in a multi-engine aircraft if the person they are giving training to is already multi-rated. I disagree with this though as I interpret 61.195(b)(1) as putting the brakes on this one:

(b) Aircraft Ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.

I'm just kind of curious as to how other people interpret this one?

 

[quote=Tchinson;808699]I don't know about a flight review in a Multi-Engine airplane as a CFI ASEL. I would say that that is a no-go, but I'll leave that one for some one else. As far as instrument instruction or IPCs in a multi-engine airplane by a CFII without an MEI, the answer is certainly yes. Of course, you must hold at least a multi commercial to exercise that privilege. Look on the back of your certificate and you will see that it says "Flight Instructor-Airplane Single Engine, Instrument Airplane". The Flight Instructor Instrument rating gives you instrument instructor privileges in any airplane that you have commercial privileges for. In short, "Instrument Airplane" covers the entire Category of Airplane and there for falls within the parameters of 61.195(b)(1). Proof of that is the fact that the CFII can not only be the first instructor certificate you hold, but also the only instructor certificate you hold. In addition, the CFII as the initial instructor check ride can be done in either a single engine airplane or a multi engine airplane, and when you receive your ticket it will say, "Flight Instructor-Instrument Airplane". But don't take my word for it; just go ask your local FSDO. But remember to ask if it's legal, not whether they would advise it or not.

 

[QUOTE=johnnysnow;808949]This is correct...flight instruction towards an instrument rating, currency, or an IPC requires only the CFI-Airplane certificate, which is valid in any airplane for which you hold appropriate commercial privileges.

Flight instruction towards other certs/ratings and proficiency such as landings, BFR, etc requires a CFI Airplane with the appropriate numner of engines. But even the CFI-airplane is only partially class-specific...it specifies single or multi-engine but not land or sea. There is no seaplane instructor rating, you only need seaplane on your commercial and a CFI-airplane (SE or ME as appropriate).

 

Might want to check on that. The regulation change of 61.195 of 29 October 2009 changed some wording, and the following FAA Legal Interpretation seems to make it sound as if you need to have both the applicable Pilot & Flight Instructor certificate in the category to do instruction.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/.../Grayson-2.pdf

 

[QUOTE=Tchinson;808699]It's been a bone of contention for may years. The answer has in the past been yes - the CFI-I without a CFI-A could give instrument instruction in an aircraft for which the CFI-I was rated as a commercial pilot so long as he didn't teach the student how to fly the airplane (really!) although there has been disagreement even within the FAA.

But the October 2009 reg revision and the FAA Chief Counsel interpretation KSCessnaDriver linked to put an end to clear that there must in all be an appropriate aircraft rating on the instructor certificate to act as an authorized instructor in an aircraft.