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Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1070208)

Yea cuz 250 hours of flying a single engine cessna in circles around your local airport is really going to impact your ability to command a regional aircraft. Make no mistake, any F/O requiring additional hours will do exactly that, although it may be a piper cub instead of a cessna.

It sure will. Being in command, making decisions, and handling unforeseen circumstances is a skill-set you can gain in any type of aircraft.

Most people who say flying a Cessna around is worthless are the people who never flew Cessnas around. Going out there, making a few dumb decisions, scaring yourself a few times, and having to get yourself out of tricky situations is invaluable and will be very handy to have experience at as a PIC on an RJ.

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Originally Posted by Phuz (Post 1070208)

Wow; lots of integrity flying your "Cessna" around in a circle to meet x/c requirements. Here's a hint; getting out of the local traffic pattern and actually experiencing some of the GA universe makes you a much better AVIATOR, vs. just being a button-pusher in an RJ. If you had done some of that we wouldn't need to explain the difference to you.:(

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Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1070212)

I don't understand how people don't get this. How could more flying time not make one an overall better pilot? A pilot who goes out and rents a Cessna for 100 hours is going to be a better pilot overall than before he had those 100 hours. The only way to get PIC experience is to act as PIC, as an RJ FO it is impossible to get that experience.

We've never had any issues with it. We just make sure there is a logbook signoff for SIC as PIC time if used to meet the minimum requirements.

Anyone who has this problem, must have been blessed in their aviation career. The idea that someone even made it to an sic position without 250 hours of pic time makes me jealous, but they also had to fly at least 190 hours for their commercial. I would thank you could get 100 hours of airport to airport time in.

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55. FLIGHT EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AIRPLANE CATEGORY. Each applicant for an ATP certificate in an airplane category rating must meet each of the following seven experience requirements.

A. Total Pilot Flight Hours. A minimum of 1,500 total pilot flight hours must have been accumulated by the applicant. The following types of flight experience may be credited toward the total pilot flight hour requirement:

All pilot-in-command (PIC) hours

All dual instruction received by the applicant

All flight time acquired as a second-in-command (SIC) in aircraft requiring at least two pilots by the approved airplane flight manual (AFM), airworthiness certificate, or in FAR Part 121 or 135 operations

For commercial pilots, up to 500 hours of flight engineer (FE) time acquired in FAR Part 121 operations (The FE time must have been acquired in an airplane requiring an FE. While acquiring these hours, the applicant must have held a commercial pilot certificate and been participating as a pilot or FE in a FAR Part 121 approved pilot training program. FE time may be credited at a rate of 1 hour of pilot time for each 3 hours of FE time. For example, if the applicant has accumulated 300 hours of FE time, 100 hours may be credited toward the 1,500 total pilot hour requirement.)

B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours an PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

C. Hours of Cross-Country. At least 500 flight hours must have been accumulated as a pilot in cross-country flight. Cross-country time is that time acquired during flight from a departure point to a destination point that is not the same as the departure point. It is also time acquired in a flight that is cross-country in nature even though the departure and destination points are the same (such as forestry patrol).

D. Hours of PIC Cross-Country. At least 100 flight hours must have been accumulated as PIC while conducting cross-country flight. SIC hours while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

E. Hours at Night. At least 100 hours must have been accumulated as a pilot at night. An applicant who has made over 20 night landings may thereafter substitute one additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of nighttime.

F. Hours as PIC at Night. At least 25 hours must have been accumulated as a PIC at night. SIC hours while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

G. Instrument Hours. At least 75 hours must have been accumulated as a pilot in actual or simulated instrument conditions. Fifty hours of this time must have been in actual flight.

Item B assumes you are rated to act as PIC. Most FO are not type rated on their aircraft. This reg works fine for guys in the right seat of a King Air 200 that doesn't require a type rating. To log PIC you must be rated in the aircraft, and an SIC type (ICAO) doesn't cut it. The FAA is slowly updating thier CMO's and FSDO's.

At our regional affiliate they will not accept SIC time towards the PIC requirement.

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Wow, so sad, actually requiring new ATPs to have experience as pilot in command.

I'm not in this predicament, but I have several friends who are and I'm looking for people with FIRST HAND experience in the matter.

I understand many people have opinions but I'm just looking for answers and not snide remarks. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1070227)

I wasn't even thinking about the logging PIC as a SIC part. I just assumed that most people have at least a 100hrs of X-C PIC before they make it to a regional.

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Originally Posted by hc0fitted (Post 1070236)

I wasn't even thinking about the logging PIC as a SIC part. I just assumed that most people have at least a 100hrs of X-C PIC before they make it to a regional.

Plenty of the train wrecks where I work that went to PFT places don't.

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Originally Posted by theHub (Post 1070231)

This is an interesting predicament. To get their commercial they would have needed at least 50 hours of XC PIC and that is over 50 nm. the xc requirement for atp is just landing somewhere different from where you took off. They must have some of that from other times in their flying progression. So it cant be THAT much time.

As far as what the company will say/do....well that depends on the company and how many people you talk to in the company.