Recently we've been hearing a lot about the FAA not crediting an F/O's SIC time with their airline toward the 100 PIC Cross Country requirement for the ATP/upgrade. Has anyone encountered this personally yet?

If so, has your company told you you're on your own to get the PIC XC (i.e. rent a 172 on your days off)? Has anyone's company given them any word about it at all?

 

I hear that has been corrected very recently. Sic time will now be counted towards ATP. I believe there's another thread you can read into here.

 

I heard rumors about this years ago, but like most rumors never knew anyone personally it happened to.

 

you get credit for the total NOT PIC. ATP PIC is just that. better rent that cessna,

 

I know it's currently happening at PDT and I believe PSA might be having an issue with it too.

 

Good thing I was furloughed for three years and had to flight instruct I guess eh?

Heh. Heh.

 

You can get your ATP, you just have the ICAO restriction on it. Meaning you can't fly to Canada/Mexico/Internationally until you meet the ATP requirements. Once you meet the requirements you can have the restriction removed.

"(d) An applicant is issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the limitation, "Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO," as prescribed under Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant does not meet the ICAO requirements contained in Annex 1 "Personnel Licensing" to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, but otherwise meets the aeronautical experience requirements of this section."

 

55. FLIGHT EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE AIRPLANE CATEGORY. Each applicant for an ATP certificate in an airplane category rating must meet each of the following seven experience requirements.

A. Total Pilot Flight Hours. A minimum of 1,500 total pilot flight hours must have been accumulated by the applicant. The following types of flight experience may be credited toward the total pilot flight hour requirement:

All pilot-in-command (PIC) hours

All dual instruction received by the applicant

All flight time acquired as a second-in-command (SIC) in aircraft requiring at least two pilots by the approved airplane flight manual (AFM), airworthiness certificate, or in FAR Part 121 or 135 operations

For commercial pilots, up to 500 hours of flight engineer (FE) time acquired in FAR Part 121 operations (The FE time must have been acquired in an airplane requiring an FE. While acquiring these hours, the applicant must have held a commercial pilot certificate and been participating as a pilot or FE in a FAR Part 121 approved pilot training program. FE time may be credited at a rate of 1 hour of pilot time for each 3 hours of FE time. For example, if the applicant has accumulated 300 hours of FE time, 100 hours may be credited toward the 1,500 total pilot hour requirement.)

B. Hours as PIC. The applicant must have accumulated at least 250 hours an PIC. SIC hours acquired while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

C. Hours of Cross-Country. At least 500 flight hours must have been accumulated as a pilot in cross-country flight. Cross-country time is that time acquired during flight from a departure point to a destination point that is not the same as the departure point. It is also time acquired in a flight that is cross-country in nature even though the departure and destination points are the same (such as forestry patrol).

D. Hours of PIC Cross-Country. At least 100 flight hours must have been accumulated as PIC while conducting cross-country flight. SIC hours while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

E. Hours at Night. At least 100 hours must have been accumulated as a pilot at night. An applicant who has made over 20 night landings may thereafter substitute one additional night takeoff and landing to a full stop for 1 hour of nighttime.

F. Hours as PIC at Night. At least 25 hours must have been accumulated as a PIC at night. SIC hours while performing the duties of PIC under the supervision of a qualified PIC may be credited toward this requirement.

G. Instrument Hours. At least 75 hours must have been accumulated as a pilot in actual or simulated instrument conditions. Fifty hours of this time must have been in actual flight.

 

Wow, so sad, actually requiring new ATPs to have experience as pilot in command.

 

Yea cuz 250 hours of flying a single engine cessna in circles around your local airport is really going to impact your ability to command a regional aircraft. Make no mistake, any F/O requiring additional hours will do exactly that, although it may be a piper cub instead of a cessna.