Training advice (CMEL and CSEL)
05-01-2012, 06:13 AM
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Training advice (CMEL and CSEL)
Just joined the forums and was hoping to get some advice. I started flying in late Nov. 2011 and as of right now, have 190 TT, 10 multi, SEL, MEL, Instrument ratings. I did my private and instrument in a Cirrus at KHPN. I then did my Multi add-on at ATP at KISP.
I am thinking about getting my CMEL first, then CSEL. I do not want a career in aviation. I like flying and am doing my commercial just to gain experience. Perhaps one day I will decide to buy a SR22, or twin like a G58 or maybe even a turbine single like a Meridian. Would love to get a Pilatus PC12 but that is very out of reach right now.
So I live in the NYC area and there are several options for multi-training:
Piper Seneca at KGON
Piper Seminole at KISP (ATP)
Dutchess at KMMU
DA42 at KHPN
Any advice suggestions on what kind of plane I should train in? Other options in the NYC area I should consider? Thanks!
I am thinking about getting my CMEL first, then CSEL. I do not want a career in aviation. I like flying and am doing my commercial just to gain experience. Perhaps one day I will decide to buy a SR22, or twin like a G58 or maybe even a turbine single like a Meridian. Would love to get a Pilatus PC12 but that is very out of reach right now.
So I live in the NYC area and there are several options for multi-training:
Piper Seneca at KGON
Piper Seminole at KISP (ATP)
Dutchess at KMMU
DA42 at KHPN
Any advice suggestions on what kind of plane I should train in? Other options in the NYC area I should consider? Thanks!
05-01-2012, 02:10 PM
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If cost is not really an object, then I would select your training platform based on what type of airplane you expect to be flying in the near term.
If you're going to be flying a new-ish twin like a G58, then you probably want something which has more glass and technology for training (DA42, new seneca/seminole). Best to train on the same GPS that you will be using, if you know or can guess.
If you even think you might be flying an older steam gauge airplane then train on a duchess or an older piper. If you are used to glass and get in an analog airplane, it could be fatal if something goes wrong.
If you don't know if you'll be a flying a glass airplane, train on analog. It's easier to go analog to glass than vice versa.
If you're going to be flying a new-ish twin like a G58, then you probably want something which has more glass and technology for training (DA42, new seneca/seminole). Best to train on the same GPS that you will be using, if you know or can guess.
If you even think you might be flying an older steam gauge airplane then train on a duchess or an older piper. If you are used to glass and get in an analog airplane, it could be fatal if something goes wrong.
If you don't know if you'll be a flying a glass airplane, train on analog. It's easier to go analog to glass than vice versa.
05-01-2012, 02:47 PM
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I'm of the mindset that it's always better to train on "steam gauge" airplanes, and then to transition to a glass airplane. There are several reasons to this, but the main two; you gain better situation awareness when you are not being shown where you are. You develop an internal map if you will. Not to long ago I was flying with a client in his G1000 Synthetic Vision equipped. Despite all the technology at his disposal, he still busted airspace. Another reason, other than the fact that it's far easier to transition from standard instruments to glass, there are far more airplanes available with the standard six pack.
As what airplane is best suited for you, I mostly agree with Rickair777, with the exception of using the diamond twin star. I would rather train in a multi engine that challenges a student. The twin star is pretty easy to fly compared to other twin trainers. This isn't to say that twin trainers are difficult to fly. My experience of the Seneca is that it's a remarkably nose heavy airplane on landing, but not a bad platform to train on. Both the Dutches and the Seminole are tried and true trainers. As for ATP and ATP style training centers, I would run a search for them here on the forum to see if that is the type of place you would like to train at. Personally I'm not a fan of that form of training. But that's just one opinion. One of my current students used to train at KISP, if I remember I'll ask him what he thought of the school there. Actually I suppose he's no longer my student since he passed his checkride not 5 min ago
As what airplane is best suited for you, I mostly agree with Rickair777, with the exception of using the diamond twin star. I would rather train in a multi engine that challenges a student. The twin star is pretty easy to fly compared to other twin trainers. This isn't to say that twin trainers are difficult to fly. My experience of the Seneca is that it's a remarkably nose heavy airplane on landing, but not a bad platform to train on. Both the Dutches and the Seminole are tried and true trainers. As for ATP and ATP style training centers, I would run a search for them here on the forum to see if that is the type of place you would like to train at. Personally I'm not a fan of that form of training. But that's just one opinion. One of my current students used to train at KISP, if I remember I'll ask him what he thought of the school there. Actually I suppose he's no longer my student since he passed his checkride not 5 min ago
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