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SuperConductor 07-21-2012 09:46 AM

Intentional Payroll Misclassification CFI's
 
I think it's become painfully obvious as a part of the destruction of the middle-class in the USA that almost every flight school these days is in direct violation of IRS law when issuing 1099's to CFI employees that are supposed to be W-2.

Every CFI is living by the schedule put together by the school, using the schools equipment provided by the company and being told how to dress. That's an EMPLOYEE, not a contractor.

Well, the IRS is now cracking down on blood-sucking flight schools that make lives, already hard, even harder on CFI's.

If you're a flight school owner, it's time to play it by the book and stop screwing over your employees. You aught to be ashamed of yourselves! The pendilum is starting to swing back to the favor or labor!

IRS and DOL Worker Misclassification Enforcement Steps Up

SuperConductor 07-21-2012 10:16 AM

To anonymously report intentional payroll misclassification at the flight school you work at, follow this link.

Government Contacts « No Misclassification!

USMCFLYR 07-21-2012 11:57 AM

So when I worked for a company who put together a flight schedule, furnished the planes that I flew, provided travel and billeting and per diem while on the job, and expected me to wear certain clothes while on the job - I should have also been an EMPLOYEE and not a contractor?

USMCFLYR

SuperConductor 07-21-2012 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1233302)
So when I worked for a company who put together a flight schedule, furnished the planes that I flew, provided travel and billeting and per diem while on the job, and expected me to wear certain clothes while on the job - I should have also been an EMPLOYEE and not a contractor?

USMCFLYR

What's your question? Well, if you're referring to many of the Part 135, light charter ops, that are doing the same thing. Yes, you are an employee. I know light charter ops love to mis-classify their pilots as contractors as well. I should really make the same post in the Part 135 forums.

Here's more IRS info. More specifically, go to page 7.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15a.pdf

You are an employee when told:

· When and where to do the work.
· What tools or equipment to use.
· What workers to hire or to assist with the work.
· Where to purchase supplies and services.
· What work must be performed by a specified individual.
· What order or sequence to follow.

Ewfflyer 07-22-2012 04:32 AM

Super, you got someone you want to burn that's fine, but anyone with a decent working relationship with who they work for might want to take the high road and bring this issue directly to their employer as a concern, not as a threat.

USMCFLYR 07-22-2012 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by SuperConductor (Post 1233305)
What's your question? Well, if you're referring to many of the Part 135, light charter ops, that are doing the same thing. Yes, you are an employee. I know light charter ops love to mis-classify their pilots as contractors as well. I should really make the same post in the Part 135 forums.

Here's more IRS info. More specifically, go to page 7.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15a.pdf

You are an employee when told:

· When and where to do the work.
· What tools or equipment to use.
· What workers to hire or to assist with the work.
· Where to purchase supplies and services.
· What work must be performed by a specified individual.
· What order or sequence to follow.

My question was simply putting out there some of the details of one particular job I had as a contractor and was wondering if you were saying that I met the conditions for being an employee that you listed.

Even using your new list raises more question:
· When and where to do the work.
- Of course. They write my schedule based on a mission required.
· What tools or equipment to use.
- If by which plane(s) to fly they have chosen which tools - yes.
· What workers to hire or to assist with the work.
- Do maintenance personnel "assist" with the work - yes.
· Where to purchase supplies and services.
- Not sure if this one was pertinent to my particular job.
· What work must be performed by a specified individual.
- I was assigned to fly a particular flight and had duties associated with such a position.
· What order or sequence to follow.
- The client would ask for certain things in a certain order - so yes there was a sequence or order.

This particular job I had operated with a small contingent of core employees supplemented with a group of 7 or 14 day contracted employees.

It would seem that there would not be such a thing as a contracted pilot job using the definitions above. Is this your contention.

USMCFLYR

SuperConductor 07-22-2012 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1233553)

It would seem that there would not be such a thing as a contracted pilot job using the definitions above. Is this your contention.

USMCFLYR

Yeah. Unless you own your own plane, dress however you like, work whenever your client(s) tell you they need you, use whomever you want to for maint. etc., you certainly were not a "contractor". You were a W-2 employee.

This is my contention. :cool:

BizPilot 07-23-2012 05:16 AM

I believe they are try to avoid paying workmen's compensation premiums. Flying is one of the riskiest professions and perhaps carry a high premium.

JamesNoBrakes 07-23-2012 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Ewfflyer (Post 1233540)
Super, you got someone you want to burn that's fine, but anyone with a decent working relationship with who they work for might want to take the high road and bring this issue directly to their employer as a concern, not as a threat.

That's nice, but the whole reason we have the internetz is to spread the word, so other people will know. Too many businesses get away with this kind of thing, and the employees are kept in a vacuum.

SuperConductor 07-23-2012 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1234011)
I believe they are try to avoid paying workmen's compensation premiums. Flying is one of the riskiest professions and perhaps carry a high premium.

Not only avoiding paying Worker's Comp, but Unemployment Taxes. What's more, they are essentially creating an employee/employer relationship where there is none, zero, negative ramification involved in firing you on the spot for the most ridiculous of whims. Normally their unemployment payments would go up drastically if most employers fired correctly classified employees as often as they do misclassified "contractors". It's a complete rape of the middle-class and they friggen know it. Thus, the government is finally doing something about it. Report away people. I think it's a part of your responsibility as an abused pilot. I've already been making phone calls to the offices in the links on the page provided.


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