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de727ups 12-02-2006 06:28 PM

"You can still get away with saying that one person is PIC and the other is sole manipulator of the controls"

Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch. You're IMC and one guy is logging PIC as sole manipulator and the other as PIC? If the other guy is a CFI, then fine. You're saying two guys simultaneously log PIC if you simply declare the non-flying pilot as PIC in a light twin?

All I can say is I sure hope regional interviewers are putting pressure on guys that log a lot of this sort of time. This lowering the bar in experience standards has to stop.

FedExHeavy 12-02-2006 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 87740)
Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch.

I agree on that one. I know the FAR's have their share of "gray" areas, but that one might just push it too far. If I ever question logging something, I just ask myself...."Do I want to have to explain this in an interview?" If the answer is no, then I don't log it. You really don't want to put yourself in an awkward position someday over a little extra time in the logbook.

AVIVIII 12-02-2006 08:23 PM


Originally Posted by de727ups (Post 87740)
"You can still get away with saying that one person is PIC and the other is sole manipulator of the controls"

Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch. You're IMC and one guy is logging PIC as sole manipulator and the other as PIC? If the other guy is a CFI, then fine. You're saying two guys simultaneously log PIC if you simply declare the non-flying pilot as PIC in a light twin?

All I can say is I sure hope regional interviewers are putting pressure on guys that log a lot of this sort of time. This lowering the bar in experience standards has to stop.

You are right, they have to be a flight instructor

Illini 12-03-2006 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot (Post 87653)
do airlines look at how much PIC time you have or just multi, can't you log safety pilot time and log the multi time, but let the person under the hood log PIC?

eagle will not accept safety pilot time

ConnectionPilot 12-03-2006 09:16 AM

i figured that would be the case, does anyone else not accept it?

AVIVIII 12-03-2006 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by Illini (Post 87833)
eagle will not accept safety pilot time

Now is it that they don't accept time that you were safety pilot or the instrument time that you logged with a safety pilot?

AVIVIII 12-03-2006 12:55 PM

^^^ I cant decide if that was a good question or not...... ^^^

Half of me says that I probably know the answer, but the other half says that there's always that possibility...

FedExHeavy 12-03-2006 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by AVIVIII (Post 87962)
^^^ I cant decide if that was a good question or not...... ^^^

Half of me says that I probably know the answer, but the other half says that there's always that possibility...

He's talking about the safety pilot time, not the time spent flying under the hood. In other words, if you are the one not flying and just looking for traffic they don't count that.

AVIVIII 12-03-2006 03:42 PM

thats what I thought.

ConnectionPilot 12-04-2006 01:44 AM

so basically when your a safety pilot and you pay for 100 hours, you only get 50, theoretically?
i'm looking at eagle and pinnacle as my two top regionals to apply to...does anyone know if pinnacle accepts this


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