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Ari Ben?
Any info about Ari Ben? I'm looking at building 100-200 multi there.
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their rates seem a little pricey. I think if you did a little more research you could get a much better deal closer to home without having to through all that hassle and money.
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well i'm already in Florida, about an hour away from Ft. Pierce. They told me that they are selling a 100 hour block for 9k. That seems pretty good to me
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Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
(Post 86063)
Any info about Ari Ben? I'm looking at building 100-200 multi there.
I think you split the airplane with someone else as well and its probrably one of these deals where someone is supposed to be under the hood so you can both log the time, ie:Safety pilot. I know it can be tough but if you take the time you'll get the experience you need to become one of us. The Few, The Broke, The Elite |
Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
(Post 86093)
You had it right, the word is building not buying. Go get some experience, anybody can fly around Florida for a 100 hours and never learn anything.
I think you split the airplane with someone else as well and its probably one of these deals where someone is supposed to be under the hood so you can both log the time, ie:Safety pilot. The Few, The Broke, The Elite A friend and I looked at Ari Ben when were down in Florida and it was only 6k for 100 hours. We opted not to do it simply because it was lame flying. We wanted to take the plane for a couple days and go cross country, they wouldn't let us. We wanted to go to the Bahamas, they wouldn't let us. So we went across the state and Got our Comm. SES ratings and flew floats around until we ran out of money. Then we went back to NH. Way more fun, and you might actually learn what those "rudder pedal thingys" are for!;) |
Originally Posted by AVIVIII
(Post 86103)
Amen. Come up and fly in New England if you want experience.
You are exactly right. The other stipulation is that it is all at night whenever they aren't using the planes for people seeking ratings. Good time, but it may not be what you are looking for. how true.... A friend and I looked at Ari Ben when were down in Florida and it was only 6k for 100 hours. We opted not to do it simply because it was lame flying. We wanted to take the plane for a couple days and go cross country, they wouldn't let us. We wanted to go to the Bahamas, they wouldn't let us. So we went across the state and Got our Comm. SES ratings and flew floats around until we ran out of money. Then we went back to NH. Way more fun, and you might actually learn what those "rudder pedal thingys" are for!;) Bahamas? DID IT! No problems...Cohen must not have liked you. |
yea Cohen told me that flying anywhere in the US and to the bahamas was no problem..
what about logging safety pilot time. how do the regionals/majors feel about this? |
Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
(Post 86932)
yea Cohen told me that flying anywhere in the US and to the bahamas was no problem..
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100 hours of multi is advertised on their site as this
Special Offer $8,995.00 plus tax, WET!* |
Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
(Post 86945)
100 hours of multi is advertised on their site as this
Special Offer $8,995.00 plus tax, WET!* |
The WET only includes fuel when you come back to their base to refuel. That means you can't fly more than 2 hours away if you want to make it back to the base for fuel. If you refuel away from their base, they only reimburse for about $1.50. You have to pay the difference which adds up to a lot when fuel is $4.50/gallon.
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very interesting
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Yep. Make no mistake, Cohen makes his money from training flights...not timebuilding flights. This way his planes don't end up spread across the country leaving limited availability for training flights.
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how did you feel about the maintenance on the planes? what kind of condition are they in?
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I thought the maintenance was fine. The planes take a lot of abuse and they keep them up and running in good shape for the most part. One thing that I did have a bit of an annoyance with was that in their ad they tried to say that the planes have GPS and Coupled Autopilots. Well, 4 out of 13 had GPS and 0 had autopilots......unless you count the ones that were placarded INOP. :D Just a small pet peave of mine. I have no problem flying planes without GPS and Autopilots, just don't advertise it if you don't have it.
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honestly, I didn't do the research, but that is what my buddy came back with. Had that been the case I might have done it.
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"I have no problem flying planes without GPS and Autopilots, just don't advertise it if you don't have it"
Another thing they advertise is getting to fly actual IFR. The problem is, the timebuilding scheme is using the safety pilot loophole which isn't legal if you are in actual. Minor details.... |
I used to work out of FPR (not at aviator). Thier planes are definately not the prettiest on the block. Don't know exactly how good thier mx is but the BE76 is a very solid airplane. I did have a friend who used to work there that said most of the planes were high time and most of the time building flights were at night. The Duchess has a max range of about 6 hours so you can get from FPR to about as far away as Gainsville and back or KEYW and back without refueling. I would strongly suggest getting an MEI prior to all the time building so that everything can be "instruction given". Have 100 hours multi w/ half of it "as safety pilot" can look a tad fishy.
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Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 87296)
"I have no problem flying planes without GPS and Autopilots, just don't advertise it if you don't have it"
Another thing they advertise is getting to fly actual IFR. The problem is, the timebuilding scheme is using the safety pilot loophole which isn't legal if you are in actual. Minor details.... |
do airlines look at how much PIC time you have or just multi, can't you log safety pilot time and log the multi time, but let the person under the hood log PIC?
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"You can still get away with saying that one person is PIC and the other is sole manipulator of the controls"
Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch. You're IMC and one guy is logging PIC as sole manipulator and the other as PIC? If the other guy is a CFI, then fine. You're saying two guys simultaneously log PIC if you simply declare the non-flying pilot as PIC in a light twin? All I can say is I sure hope regional interviewers are putting pressure on guys that log a lot of this sort of time. This lowering the bar in experience standards has to stop. |
Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 87740)
Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch.
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Originally Posted by de727ups
(Post 87740)
"You can still get away with saying that one person is PIC and the other is sole manipulator of the controls"
Really. Can you defend that with a FAR reference? I think that's a bit of a stretch. You're IMC and one guy is logging PIC as sole manipulator and the other as PIC? If the other guy is a CFI, then fine. You're saying two guys simultaneously log PIC if you simply declare the non-flying pilot as PIC in a light twin? All I can say is I sure hope regional interviewers are putting pressure on guys that log a lot of this sort of time. This lowering the bar in experience standards has to stop. |
Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot
(Post 87653)
do airlines look at how much PIC time you have or just multi, can't you log safety pilot time and log the multi time, but let the person under the hood log PIC?
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i figured that would be the case, does anyone else not accept it?
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Originally Posted by Illini
(Post 87833)
eagle will not accept safety pilot time
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^^^ I cant decide if that was a good question or not...... ^^^
Half of me says that I probably know the answer, but the other half says that there's always that possibility... |
Originally Posted by AVIVIII
(Post 87962)
^^^ I cant decide if that was a good question or not...... ^^^
Half of me says that I probably know the answer, but the other half says that there's always that possibility... |
thats what I thought.
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so basically when your a safety pilot and you pay for 100 hours, you only get 50, theoretically?
i'm looking at eagle and pinnacle as my two top regionals to apply to...does anyone know if pinnacle accepts this |
well you actually get 100 and you can legally log it. Its just that it might not be acceptable or valid for certain companies.
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"does anyone know if pinnacle accepts this?"
Have you thought to ask yourself why some airlines don't rather than who does |
yes i have, i have connections in Eagle, 4 or 5 people that i can use as references. But eagle won't take safety pilot time. I'll tell you, flying safety pilot halfway across the country gives you exprience, more than eagle will give credit for. I've got the total time that the airlines have minimums for, just not the multi.
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connection pilot, apparently from what some people have posted on this forum, eagle is really desperate for pilots. If they are looking to hire 700 or so pilots in 07, maybe they wont really care as much. If anything ull still get the 100 total time and possibly get to the interview, if you can explain how it gave you good experience maybe they will look past that. Ask Careerpilot, hes always posting how many pilots eagle is trying to hire.
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alright i'll take a shot
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Hey, I'm going to ariben for the actual training soon anybody have any tips for a smooth transition?
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Hmm so if i have my MEI then i could technically log the time im sitting in the right seat as Dual given time even though i'm not REALLY instructing, and the time in the left seat just as PIC?? I think logging 50 hours of safetly pilot times seems a bit sketchy.
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Originally Posted by JoePilot85
(Post 89722)
Hmm so if i have my MEI then i could technically log the time im sitting in the right seat as Dual given time even though i'm not REALLY instructing, and the time in the left seat just as PIC?? I think logging 50 hours of safetly pilot times seems a bit sketchy.
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
(Post 89657)
Hey, I'm going to ariben for the actual training soon anybody have any tips for a smooth transition?
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When I flew at AriBen, I logged it as dual given, because I was actually instructing. Trying to help my flying buddy catch up with the airplane, and showing him little tricks that I have learned over the past couple of years. We also tried to help eachother out and fly like a crew: adjusting throttles, syncing up props, leaning out the mixtures, monitoring the 'systems', making radio calls, keeping track of the charts and what not. That way, the PF could soley concentrate on flying. I had a good time. One little boo boo with some MX, and some WX issues, but other than that, it was a good experience. Mike is a good guy to work along side with.
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