Does ATP hire outside CFIs?
 

Hello all,

I am currently attending a part 141 academy in Florida, but would prefer to instruct in the Atlanta area once I am finished here.

I read the information on their website about needing to work where they have availability, but I don't see anything directly related to hiring CFIs from outside ATP.

I wanted to ask here before I send them my information again, and then get marketing calls and emails from them for the next two months. . . Thanks again!

I would be willing to do my Multi, CFI, CFII and MEI with them.

Does ATP hire outside CFIs?
 

ATP is a Not a good cfi job. You could do much better if you are moving to Georgia. I would hit up the forum and find out what other flight schools are hiring in the area you are wanting to move to.

Agreed. Avoid ATP as a flight instructor job. The pay is incredibly poor and they do not treat their employees well.

I feel safer going through a larger flight school, at least at first. Plus I would really like to stay around the North Atlanta area. Not a great deal of options for part 141, and part 61 with some experienced competition.

I had 7 instructors during my training at ATP PDK, they all kept complaining about working there. ATP will place you where they need you, they have now 4 instructors at PDK so i would think they are getting very busy there, most students who finish the ACPP there will like to instruct in Atlanta. I think they are opening a location at RYY though.
I went to pretty much every flight school in the Atl area looking for a CFI job without any dual given, no luck. Some chief pilots toldme they had a line of cfis before me. VPC, RYY, FTY, PDK, PUJ
Got a job in TX (not ATP), put my house in Atlanta for rent, brought my wife and kid to Texas, found a nice apartment, put my kid at school here, been here for 4 months and have close to 300 hrs dual given.
No regrets

I have friends who taught there. They average a salary of $800-1000 a month and make $7 an hour for flight instruction. How is that better than a second year first officer at most airlines?

If you do enough research, there are plenty of great opportunities. I acquired well over 700 multi while flight instructing and literally made double what ATP instructors made.

I grossed $2000 every two weeks.

I accumulated 700 MEL hours in exactly one year.

Pretty much no. With the 1500hr rule forcing ppl to have to instruct longer, there's no room for outside cfi's anymore. $2,000 RETAINER...untrue. Might gross that INCLUDING retainer & bonuses.

They used to (and still kind of do) hire people outside of their programs. Now, the problem is that they have guaranteed CFI jobs to a lot of the people in their programs and those people need to get 1500 hours. So instead of getting their commercial CFI at 250 hours, and then instructing for another 200-400 hours and getting hired by an airline, their instructors are needing 1250+ hours to meet ATP mins.

If you are a two year CFI and can teach CFI and have a decent amount of multi - espeically PA-44 time, then you'd have a fair shot. But I'd say the chances are low for getting hired as a new CFI.

About 2.5 years ago when I did my CFI there, I wanted to work for them in Altanta, and they didn't have any openings in Atlanta. And at about the same time, they lowered the monthly retainer from $1500 to $750, and supposedly upped the bonuses and hourly pay. I decided the pay was too crappy to go to one of their other locations.

Then I tried to do the part 61 thing in Atlanta, and the market for part 61 CFI's is terrible there. I was lucky to get 15 hours of flight time and maybe 20-25 billable hours per month. Then I got hired by a university and moved away from ATL (current job). At my current job, the pay is salaried (but not great by any means), and the flight time is only 350-400 hours per year, and there is almost no multi to be had, so I tried to get on at ATP about a year ago just to build time faster and get multi time, but they told me at that time they weren't hiring anyone outside of ATP that isn't a two year CFI. Now that I'm qualified to teach initial CFI's I might give going to ATP another try, because I've gotten a whopping 14.7 hours of multi in the past two years at my current job. ATP also pays the 2 year CFI's a decent salary and it would definitely be a raise. But they treat their CFI's like crap, and teaching their CFI school seems like it would be especially stressful.

Now, how would telling you what flight school I worked for make you believe me? If you don't believe what I am saying now, then you'll never believe me even if I photocopied pay stubs and logbooks. People don't like being proven wrong. That particular flight school isn't hiring right now because of the 1500 hour rule and wouldn't help him anyways; it isn't in Atlanta.

Does ATP hire outside CFIs?
 

I was in the same boat as you about a year ago. 0 dual given, and where I lived there were no CFI jobs to speak of. I had to relocate.

A few others above have mentioned that. Sometimes that's the name of he game in aviation. It was stressful but now I have an excellent CFI job and I am happy I made the move.

You are close to Florida there are lots of flight schools there you may be surprised how many more options you have if you don't limit your location

ATP may hire you but only stay there long enough to get some dual given and maybe some muti. with more competitive cfi hours find another job that will treat you right (there are CFI jobs that will).

Getting time in the seminole will be limited due to the new program. The private instrument track does all of the instrument training in the cessna, versus the old program where you would do your instrument training in the seminole. Instructors are seeing a change in multi time at atp.

You do get to fly a lot though, can live on the pay (not like a rock star), but you will be sent where you are needed until you prove your self and get your seniority and the slot opens up to where you want to go.

good luck.

RYY location is already open from what I can tell.

So you had no luck in the ATL area as recently as 4 months ago?

What about AmericanFlyers?
 

What about AmericanFlyers?

I know they don't really have multis, definitely not in the atl area, but at least I can go from zero dual given to something.

Thats correct, however, a friend got hired at Falcon Aviation down in Peachtree City when i was already in Texas. It's part 141.. You could give em a try.

Falcon aviation is great place, pretty decent fleet of diamonds and Chinese students to fill your logbook. They have multiple branches in FFC, CCO and I believe PDK is still there as well.

Falcon would be awesome. Chinese student contracts are a big plus, too, good to know!