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Space Ranger 03-14-2017 09:03 AM

I also concur with the growth and decision making. Lots to be learned in that time frame.

NEDude 03-14-2017 09:59 AM

I have not had much experience with very low time pilots in Europe. But I did fly with one FO who had around 400 hours total time and he was quite sharp. Granted he had a masters degree in aerospace engineering and had worked as an engineer for Airbus for over a decade before moving to the Airbus training department for a few years. So he was definitely not the norm for 400 hour pilots. But overall I have not noticed much difference in the quality of pilots between Europe and the States. Now China...that's a different story.

2StgTurbine 03-14-2017 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by OldWeasel (Post 2320284)
Unless I am missing something, what is the 1500hr rule really trying to establish?


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Odds are you will not simply be towing a banner for 1250 hours. You will be exposed to business and economic pressures that you never experienced in training. Your boss will make comments about maintenance costs, fuel, and revenue. That pressure may affect your decisions as a pilot in an insidious way.

The tire might look a little worn, but you just caught this after the last mechanic left for the night right before a flight. Are you going to cancel the flight or are you going to go? Maybe you decide to go and get lucky and make it back, maybe you don't. Either way, you are likely going to remember that uncomfortable feeling you had as you realized your actions can have a huge impact on revenue. Maybe you decide to change your work habits and get to the aircraft early to preflight the thing before the mechanic leaves.

How would that translate into the 121 world? The weather may be bad on the day you plan to commute into work. Those 1250 hours you worked as a professional pilot taught you the value of being conservative and acting proactively, so you decide to commute in the night before.

And as far as bd habits are concerned. Seeing how 90% of the pilots in the US had a more than 1,000 hours before they got hired at an airline whatever bad habits they had are things the training department has seen before. I would argue that over the 2 years it takes to build 1,500 hours you would likely figure out what habits are bad and what are good.

The Dominican 03-15-2017 03:20 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2320439)
Now China...that's a different story.

I find it interesting that this seems to be the overall opinion (Of Asian pilots in general) but the vast majority of accidents on the last two decades have been with western crews at the helm.

Things that make you go hum?:rolleyes:

NEDude 03-15-2017 03:39 AM


Originally Posted by The Dominican (Post 2320880)
I find it interesting that this seems to be the overall opinion (Of Asian pilots in general) but the vast majority of accidents on the last two decades have been with western crews at the helm.

Things that make you go hum?:rolleyes:

...Source?

Broncofan 03-15-2017 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2320884)
...Source?

Thinking about it and I can't say I agree with that statement. If it were true however I would counter by asking what percentage of flights are US and European vs Asian. I might be completely wrong because I haven't looked at the numbers but I'll go out on a limb and say the the US and Euro safety records are far better statistically.

adebord 03-16-2017 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2318070)
According to IATA, the overall rate of jet hull losses per 1 million flight hours from 2011 to 2015 was 0.12 for Europe and 0.17 for North America. In 2016 Europe had a rate of 0.27 while North America had 0.31. The data indicates the safety rate for commercial jet air transportation is very similar between North America and Europe.

Source:
http://www.iata.org/pressroom/facts_...eet-safety.pdf

Europeans crash airplanes outside of Euro carriers. FZ 981, QZ 8501.. Euro 'heros'

NEDude 03-17-2017 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by adebord (Post 2322324)
Europeans crash airplanes outside of Euro carriers. FZ 981, QZ 8501.. Euro 'heros'

Who called them "heros"? I think you need to go back and re-read what was said, because the word heros was not mentioned.

Secondly - regarding QZ8501 - So it is your contention that the Indonesian captain re-setting the FAC circuit breakers in flight, despite the QRH warning not to do so, played no role in the crash? It was entirely the fault of the FO?


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