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Old 11-09-2018, 09:27 AM   #1  
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Iíve never been a hater or supporter of any of the Norwegian spin-offs, I donít pay attention to ALPA propaganda and rhetoric, and I generally have remained neutral to most of this...
However, this interview:

https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.ch...-pilots-career

is enough to make me say forget this Piece of garbage and his company. He readily admits that pilot pay has plummeted and responsibilities have increased, yet in the same breath blames senior pilots for not encouraging the younger generation to fly and blames them for the shortage. YHGTBFSM.
Not once does he address that compensation needs to be increased, only that schedule flexibility needs to be improved and ab initio programs are the answer. Get out of here. Canít wait for it to fail.
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Old 11-14-2018, 09:14 AM   #3  
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The Undercutters Pizza business model.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PdfztAY3qoU
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Iíve never been a hater or supporter of any of the Norwegian spin-offs, I donít pay attention to ALPA propaganda and rhetoric, and I generally have remained neutral to most of this...
However, this interview:

https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.ch...-pilots-career

is enough to make me say forget this Piece of garbage and his company. He readily admits that pilot pay has plummeted and responsibilities have increased, yet in the same breath blames senior pilots for not encouraging the younger generation to fly and blames them for the shortage. YHGTBFSM.
Not once does he address that compensation needs to be increased, only that schedule flexibility needs to be improved and ab initio programs are the answer. Get out of here. Canít wait for it to fail.
My cousin is a mortgage broker in the Ft. Lauderdale area. He called me one day and said ďI thought you guys made more money, I just did a mortgage for a 787 pilot and he didnít even crack $100K last year.Ē I asked who the guy worked for. He said OSM?? I hadnít heard of them so I did a little research and discovered these guys.

There will always be pilots willing to undercut everyone else for a shortcut. Itís sad but true.
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Old 11-29-2018, 10:43 AM   #5  
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My cousin is a mortgage broker in the Ft. Lauderdale area. He called me one day and said ďI thought you guys made more money, I just did a mortgage for a 787 pilot and he didnít even crack $100K last year.Ē I asked who the guy worked for. He said OSM?? I hadnít heard of them so I did a little research and discovered these guys.

There will always be pilots willing to undercut everyone else for a shortcut. Itís sad but true.
Iím expecting they would start as cruise relief pilots or Ďsecond officersí.
And first year pay? We all know about first year pay.
What like 90% of the airlines in the US first year pay is below $100k?
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Iím expecting they would start as cruise relief pilots or Ďsecond officersí.
And first year pay? We all know about first year pay.
What like 90% of the airlines in the US first year pay is below $100k?
I think, but Iím not sure, that this guy was a Captain
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$120,000 is about the pay for a 787 captain at Norwegian.
~$90,000 for a relief captain.
About $66,000 for an FO.

A friend of mine is a 737 captain in Europe for Norwegian and he said his take home pay is about 8000 Euros a month. He said that the 787 captain is the same and I asked why would anyone fly the 787 in that case? He said the 737 is all locals at his base, and the 787 is flown by commuters. I told him what a 737 captain makes in the US and he was quite shocked and said, "No wonder they hate us."
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$120,000 is about the pay for a 787 captain at Norwegian.
~$90,000 for a relief captain.
About $66,000 for an FO.

A friend of mine is a 737 captain in Europe for Norwegian and he said his take home pay is about 8000 Euros a month. He said that the 787 captain is the same and I asked why would anyone fly the 787 in that case? He said the 737 is all locals at his base, and the 787 is flown by commuters. I told him what a 737 captain makes in the US and he was quite shocked and said, "No wonder they hate us."
Did your friend tell you what most pilots make in Europe? Pay in Europe is significantly lower than it is in the States, even for the legacy airlines. If you hate Norwegian because of pay or contracts, you need to hate every single European airline. Even those Lufthansa and British Airways guys flying the 747s and A380s are making significantly less than wide body pilots at United, Delta and American. But of course ALPA will not tell you that. And I doubt ALPA is telling you what Eurowings and TUI pilots are getting paid to fly wide body airplanes to and from U.S. destinations.
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Even those Lufthansa and British Airways guys flying the 747s and A380s are making significantly less than wide body pilots at United, Delta and American. But of course ALPA will not tell you that. And I doubt ALPA is telling you what Eurowings and TUI pilots are getting paid to fly wide body airplanes to and from U.S. destinations.
A jetBlue FO makes more than a top LH/BA A380 captain.
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Did your friend tell you what most pilots make in Europe? Pay in Europe is significantly lower than it is in the States, even for the legacy airlines. If you hate Norwegian because of pay or contracts, you need to hate every single European airline. Even those Lufthansa and British Airways guys flying the 747s and A380s are making significantly less than wide body pilots at United, Delta and American. But of course ALPA will not tell you that. And I doubt ALPA is telling you what Eurowings and TUI pilots are getting paid to fly wide body airplanes to and from U.S. destinations.
Iím definitely familiar with what pilots make in Europe. I never said I hated Norwegian pilots. Those were his words, not mine. I lived in Europe for a few years and have the EASA license, but I donít intend to work for a European carrier at this time.
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