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williamgoss 08-20-2008 07:44 AM

Air India or Jet Air
 
Any thoughts on the pros and cons of working for Air India vs Jet Air? I'm looking at the Titan Aviation contract agency for Jet Air and possibly Next-Gen for Air India. I'm a first time contractor, and could use some insight!

Gajre539 08-22-2008 06:04 AM

What do you want to know? My brother in law works as the Chief Medical Officer for an airline (GoAir Airways) in India - I can ask him.

From what I know, Air India is a govt. company and Jet Airways is privately owned. My dad worked for Air India for 30+ years until he retired. I'd go with Jet Airways over Air India any day.

KoruPilot 08-22-2008 01:59 PM

A good friend just left Air India as he was not in the least impressed. Might have been pertly due to the contract agency, but it sounded like the operation was not so great.

There are a number of my former employers B777 pilots at Jet Airways, and I flew with some of their guy's when they did training with us. Apparently it is a pretty good gig; night and day to AI.

Boomerang 08-23-2008 12:13 AM

I suggest you apply directly to Jet Airways. They do not require the use of a contactor.

For Air India stay away from Next Gen. and Rishworth. I found the contract from Sigmar to be reasonable with no penalties for termination.

Whatnameisleft 08-26-2008 12:34 AM

Don't Go With Air India!
 
I must warn my fellow brothers to avoid Next Generation Aviation, who is the Crew Leasing Company to Air India. They are liars and cheats, who promise reimbursement for air travel to screenings, but never repay you. They promise "Guaranteed" jobs, that do not exist! I turned down an interview in China for a good job, on the word from Next Generation Aviation, that "I had a job with Air India!" When I flew around the world to screen with them, there was no guaranteed job waiting. Regarding Jet Airways in Mumbai, India, you can apply directly with them, without the use of any Crew Leasing company or contractor. Also, Air India does NOT pay your Indian Income Taxes! That will be a huge chunk of your salary! My advice and answer to your question? Go with Jet Airways and apply directly on their website. However, do not expect to get reimbursed for your air travel from Jet Airways, either. They also never repaid me.

MayFly135s 08-26-2008 05:07 AM

I left Air India after 6 months as a 777 FO because of my concerns about the lack of basic (international) airline safety standards. While some things you can deal with the whole picture made me take a hard look if this was a company I wanted on my resume.

1. The almost zero CRM
2. Constant smoking in the cockpit
3. Cockpit door kept unlocked for all (welcomed or other) to enter the flight deck
4. Briefings at dispatch conducted in Hindi
5. Failure to brief the departure or approach while on the flight deck
6. Continued confusion as to who is the PF and the PM
- Cmdr seems to want to do everything and not include the FO, in ANY of the operational functions of the aeroplane
7. Hotel accommodation in Delhi, The Ashok Hotel:
- there is no air conditioning. There is a "fan" system only.
- the fridge in the room does not work 99% of the time
- sometimes there is hot water available, sometimes not
- food quality is very (hygienically) poor leaving many with "stomach problems" time after time when staying there.
8. Contractual terms between AI and the hosting hotels change without ANY notification to the crew from AI or the hotel concerned.

The other piece of the puzzel really depends on two main things...

1. Capt or FO? As a Capt you are obviously more of a commodity and get more of a say in your schedule. Most CAPTs are on a 7 on/6 off (days) schedule versus FOs on 6 on/2 off (wks). As a CAPT most flights tend to be JFK-DEL/BOM and as a rule of thumb expect to be the cruise relief to a 40 something Indian Capt despite what experience you bring to the table. Expat FOs are also primarily used in the cruise relief position. Also there must be an Indian on the crew so any 2 man operations won't be with another expat.

2. Do you live in/near an Air India destination (JKF, ORD, LHR, BHX)? Air India only pays to get you from one of their destinations to the plane, so if you live off line the commute is on your own dime/time. Most of the guys that are happy live in the NYC/BOS/DC area so when they land they are home.

So for me the cultural and company issues drove me on to a professional airline.

As always I am happy to put guys in touch with current AI expat Capt/FOs

MF

Boomerang 08-27-2008 10:22 AM

Air India or Jet Airways
 
I am going to an interview at both Air India and Jet Airways next month for a B-737 Captain position. Does anyone have current information on the conditions at either of these airlines. I understand that Air India doesn't have a very good reputation, but the contract conditions offered are a bit better than at Jet. Is it possible to fly the international routes at Air India? Jet uses local pilots to fly to the better international routes as that is their preference.

Captain Michael 09-05-2008 05:10 PM

WhatNameIsLeft was never promised a job with Air India without successful completion of a simulator evaluation. He was told by NexGen and Air India that if he passed the screening and sim check, that they would definitely offer him the job. This Captain was one of 5 other Captains that had sim checks that day with Air India and was the only one not offered the job due to multiple failures during the sim evaluation. NexGen bent over backwards to accommodate this Captain, but in the end, it was Air India that declined him, Not NexGen! This Captain seems to not be able to differentiate between the contractor and the airline. NexGen even went back to Air India to plead for a re-check and was turned down. NexGen has never made a promise in writing that it has not kept. The travel reimbursement was supposed to be made by Air India, and NexGen ended up making the payment instead.

KoruPilot 09-05-2008 06:49 PM

Boomerang;

Perhaps take a re-read of Mayfly's post. He's a very good friend of mine and I would take what he says very seriously. He and I had numerous conversations before, during and after his contract at AI. He knows of what he speaks.

The Indians that I have spoken to don't even want to go there.

As for Jet Airways, there are a number of Air NZ people there on LOA and all say they love it (all on the B777). The money is good, the schedules are good and they all live in Bruxelles. Heck, if I was an ATR72 training captain I'd probably be there with what they pay, but perhaps an ATR skipper would see to set me straight. The jet side is, as far as I have seen, pretty decent.

The Juice 09-25-2008 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Michael (Post 456596)
WhatNameIsLeft was never promised a job with Air India without successful completion of a simulator evaluation. He was told by NexGen and Air India that if he passed the screening and sim check, that they would definitely offer him the job. This Captain was one of 5 other Captains that had sim checks that day with Air India and was the only one not offered the job due to multiple failures during the sim evaluation. NexGen bent over backwards to accommodate this Captain, but in the end, it was Air India that declined him, Not NexGen! This Captain seems to not be able to differentiate between the contractor and the airline. NexGen even went back to Air India to plead for a re-check and was turned down. NexGen has never made a promise in writing that it has not kept. The travel reimbursement was supposed to be made by Air India, and NexGen ended up making the payment instead.

Read the other posts on this "Captain" and you will see there may not be much credibility on what he says of others.


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