Shanghai Airlines
02-04-2010 | 03:32 AM
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Shanghai Airlines
Hello,
Has anyone any experience in working for Shanghai Airlines? Parc have a contract with them for the B737NG it pays about $12,000 a month.
Also I'd be keen to hear peoples experiences flying\life in China. I'm planning a trip to Shanghai to check the place out.
Cheers,
Frogone
Has anyone any experience in working for Shanghai Airlines? Parc have a contract with them for the B737NG it pays about $12,000 a month.
Also I'd be keen to hear peoples experiences flying\life in China. I'm planning a trip to Shanghai to check the place out.
Cheers,
Frogone
02-04-2010 | 07:08 AM
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Calling Korupilot. He'd be the resident expert on living in Shanghai and might know some people at Shanghai airlines.
I spend a lot of time in China, though most of that is in a much more rural area than Shanghai. I speak Mandarin so it's easy for me to get around where expats don't exist and English is not spoken. That is probably one of the most challenging parts of living in China for an expat, the language barrier.
Shanghai itself is quite cosmopolitan and has a large expat community so that makes it easier to get around, but the language barrier still exists. Culture shock is something that is real and can happen to anyone living in a foreign country. Many things are very different to what you are used to in the USA and you have to adapt in order to be happy.
Some Chinese airlines have a very punitive safety culture. A pilot can get fined for any QAR exceedances or other work misunderstandings. Be sure you know what the deal is at Shanghai in that regards.
PARC is a good agency to work with. I've done a couple of deals with them in the past.
Typhoonpilot
I spend a lot of time in China, though most of that is in a much more rural area than Shanghai. I speak Mandarin so it's easy for me to get around where expats don't exist and English is not spoken. That is probably one of the most challenging parts of living in China for an expat, the language barrier.
Shanghai itself is quite cosmopolitan and has a large expat community so that makes it easier to get around, but the language barrier still exists. Culture shock is something that is real and can happen to anyone living in a foreign country. Many things are very different to what you are used to in the USA and you have to adapt in order to be happy.
Some Chinese airlines have a very punitive safety culture. A pilot can get fined for any QAR exceedances or other work misunderstandings. Be sure you know what the deal is at Shanghai in that regards.
PARC is a good agency to work with. I've done a couple of deals with them in the past.
Typhoonpilot
02-12-2010 | 12:41 AM
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Sorry for the delay but I've been on days off and ignoring my computer.
TP is bang on as far as punitive safety culture is concerned. The only airlines that don't qualify on that regard are Shanghai Airlines (lucky you), because of a S American chap running thing's, and Great Wall (where I am) which is run by SQ and Malaysian Airlines guy's, who are excellent.
Otherwise it's pretty bad. Get a FOQA/QAR tag and you'll be docked a weeks pay, have to do a sim and be expected to pay for it. I saw an example the other day in Chicago as we were taxiing out behind a China Cargo (China Eastern) B744. They took forever to cross the runway and Evergreen had to go around. I reckon they were making sure they didn't bust the N1 taxi tag. Not there fault I think, but the tower likely had no idea. We were a B registered aircraft too, and behind them but with a couple Yankee sounding guys on board, so we didn't get any 'special' treatment.
Anyway, as far as I understand it Shanghai Airlines is OK. Now that they have been purchased by China Eastern, I don't know.
As far as Shanghai, what a great town. And China is a great country to poke around on your day's off. I find the people fantastic to deal with in general, and pretty friendly in the city as well. I don't find people in HKG friendly at all. If you see thing's the same way then you know what I mean.
Good luck with it. The flying is interesting, and it'll be more interesting for you on the 737 as you'll go to all the fun places. Enjoy.
TP is bang on as far as punitive safety culture is concerned. The only airlines that don't qualify on that regard are Shanghai Airlines (lucky you), because of a S American chap running thing's, and Great Wall (where I am) which is run by SQ and Malaysian Airlines guy's, who are excellent.
Otherwise it's pretty bad. Get a FOQA/QAR tag and you'll be docked a weeks pay, have to do a sim and be expected to pay for it. I saw an example the other day in Chicago as we were taxiing out behind a China Cargo (China Eastern) B744. They took forever to cross the runway and Evergreen had to go around. I reckon they were making sure they didn't bust the N1 taxi tag. Not there fault I think, but the tower likely had no idea. We were a B registered aircraft too, and behind them but with a couple Yankee sounding guys on board, so we didn't get any 'special' treatment.
Anyway, as far as I understand it Shanghai Airlines is OK. Now that they have been purchased by China Eastern, I don't know.
As far as Shanghai, what a great town. And China is a great country to poke around on your day's off. I find the people fantastic to deal with in general, and pretty friendly in the city as well. I don't find people in HKG friendly at all. If you see thing's the same way then you know what I mean.
Good luck with it. The flying is interesting, and it'll be more interesting for you on the 737 as you'll go to all the fun places. Enjoy.
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