A little sensitive, perhaps? Actually, UCLA did use the word "heard". He used it twice, in fact. I "heard" the same thing in China as well from Brazilian pilots - quite recently. I don't know what the truth is. Perhaps when employment is available to me over there I'll be able to find out. Right now, thankfully, I'm happily and gainfully employed elsewhere.

In fact, they can. The US, for one, does. Now what your "home" country chooses to do with that renunciation is their business. The internet is not the place to get advice on something like this. Find a well-regarded immigration attorney and get your information there.

I loved it there! My first hand experience ….The girls are drop dead gorgeous (just look at all the Victoria secret models) very warm, friendly, and love Americans. The food, beer, and cacasa is cheap, they have some of the best beaches (girls in bikinis) in the world, and they throw the biggest party in the world (girls with no bikinis only paint). The unemployment rate is low 6%, flying was laid-back, pay was better then the US, and the countries economy is growing fast. It is true you are treated with more respect as a pilot than here. I believe Sully said it best in his book when he started... being a pilot was one step below being an astronaut, now its one step above being a bus driver. Over there you’re an astronaut . so I ask whats not to like? (unless you against all that stuff.)

ehhhhh....
I'm a dual citizen of both countries and was just recently made citizen of the US and while you are somwhat correct, I'll post what I remember from memory (aka I could be wrong)

the US makes you renounce your allegiance to your previous country. That means you can still be a citizen of say, Brazil, but if the US and Brazil were to get into war, you pledge that you fight for the United States.

So you kinda give up your citizenship as far as glory and fighting power, but that's that. They can't take me in and say give me your Brazilian passport and all your docs, we're going to shred them.

That's crazy! I'd walk out and tell them good luck in future and move back to a sane land

would you happen to mnow what the starting pay is at Azol/GOL/TAM??

I'm just wondering and doing some calculations here...

Fair enough. Yes, I know dual citizenship is possible; in many cases it's a birthright and doesn't require the taking of an oath. Note that your home country could choose to react very negatively to such an oath. There can be myriad political and legal issues, or so I'm told. (Yeah, I "heard" this"). :)

That requirement, or various other onerous ones, could be imposed. I'm sure there are various diplomatic customs and treaties that restrict same (again, consult an attorney), but the statement that a sovereign nation doesn't have the "right" to do something regarding citizenship is a stretch.

I agree, and I never said or never do I say anything about "rights"

that is a very American word to think that you have a right to everything always. But that's a whole other topic.


Sure they can ask me for my docs, but I can just walk out and give them the finger. (I might have some consequences, but I can do it)

Great to hear. Actually the pay down in SA overall seems a little low, although the working conditions in some places (as you described so droolingly well :)) are pretty good. I obviously don't know about Brazil.

The pay in Asia is much better, but you "pay" for it. Now the painted bikini is becoming common in many places.

It seemed to be an implication based on some previous posts beginning by someone else. If it isn't what you meant, then fine.

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You're watching the news too much. :) Most "real" people up there, left and right, don't feel that way. YMMV.


I don't think there'd be any "consequences" other than your not getting citizenship. Now someone may take a picture of you flipping them off, and said picture will wind up on the internet. Forever. Be careful of what you do in public now. :eek:

hahaha the internet is the least of my worries.

the flipping the bird thing was meant to encompass any country of which I could potentially get my citizenship. It would be what I would do if they told me to bring in my other docs to shred them. And in countries other than the US, they might not let the bird fly!


But regardless of all that, I love the US and that's why I chose to live here and be a citizen.